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On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:19 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 26/11/2011 14:02:
>>
>> The non-restrictiveness of "noi" is what makes it independent of the
>> main clause.
>
> I think that's not so. In "every little baby", "little" is nonrestrictive
> but not independent of the clause.

I said it backwards. What I should have said is "the
non-restrictiveness of "noi" is what makes the main clause independent
of it". I don't think noi-clauses are fully independent of the main
clause, since they need it to at least get the referent of "ke'a". But
the converse I think is true, the main clause can't take anything from
the noi-clause.

> What makes "noi" and English
> "non-restrictive relative clauses" -- or "supplementary relative clauses"=
 in
> the terminology of Huddleston and Pullum, or "incidental relative clauses=
"
> in the termonology of Lojban -- independent of the containing clause is t=
he
> supplementarity/incidentality, which I think should be modelled logically=
 as
> an independent illocutionary operator. For example "Is Cardiff, which is =
the
> capital of Wales, polluted?" is, logically, "I-HEREBY-ASK whether Cardiff=
 is
> polluted & I-HEREBY-ASSERT-INCIDENTALLY that Cardiff is the capital of
> Wales".

Sounds right. And you could have it the other way around, with the
main clause asserted and the incidental questioned:"Cardiff --which is
the capital of Wales, isn't it?-- is polluted."

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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