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2011/11/27 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:19 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 26/11/2011 14:02:
>>>
>>> The non-restrictiveness of "noi" is what makes it independent of the
>>> main clause.
>>
>> I think that's not so. In "every little baby", "little" is nonrestrictiv=
e
>> but not independent of the clause.
>
> I said it backwards. What I should have said is "the
> non-restrictiveness of "noi" is what makes the main clause independent
> of it". I don't think noi-clauses are fully independent of the main
> clause, since they need it to at least get the referent of "ke'a". But
> the converse I think is true, the main clause can't take anything from
> the noi-clause.

I guess that's not quite true either: "Cardiff, which is the capital
of Wales, is also its largest city." The main clause feeds on the
relative clause to make sense of "also" and to get the referent of
"its", so it's not quite independent. The important point is what you
said: each clause gets its own independent illocutionary operator.

In Lojban we can even have an imperative in the relative clause, which
English can't quite do I suppose because both the relative pronoun and
the verb want first position:

ta noi ko dunda ke'a mi cu cukta
*That, pass which to me, is a book.
*That, which pass to me, is a book.
?That --which would you please pass to me?-- is a book.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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