Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:42482) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RUgfl-0007tR-VE; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:29:48 -0800 Received: by iage36 with SMTP id e36sf9964141iag.16 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:29:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TeCg+ygZNd28fSysx+e/3G6C4mRv/JUjZ1E0Th98HQw=; b=7MhC96QHwjqJXYi6xS4yUJXIGes1K9Ty30GmHa39utnK2ESct5/ynM2eOI14ED02bg kqFeWMieQwg9zAU8q1rxlfLPdH5nsau/8E/ze5qSWClKcwQMS8Fxx6MpF4a5PZkcGqLR anphw3+120jCed4cKG2Icq+n97fGARzBLkPKM= Received: by 10.50.6.200 with SMTP id d8mr6517703iga.0.1322407773197; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:29:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.21.197 with SMTP id k5ls4816507ibb.1.gmail; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.48.202 with SMTP id ux10mr22240533icb.6.1322407772518; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.48.202 with SMTP id ux10mr22240531icb.6.1322407772506; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f181.google.com (mail-iy0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ht10si6098190icc.7.2011.11.27.07.29.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.181; Received: by mail-iy0-f181.google.com with SMTP id n33so9393835iae.26 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:29:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.12.97 with SMTP id x1mr45600935pbb.78.1322407772291; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.60.33 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:29:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111127114636.GS15498@nvg.org> References: <20111127114636.GS15498@nvg.org> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:29:32 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] ru'a From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / I have used {ru'a} in connection with {ca'e} to define new objects/concepts by stating postulates about them. In this situation, you are not just stati= ng or supposing something, you are making the statement true by the power of definition. {ru'a ro bu'a ro bu'e zo'u go lo kabu'a cu selkai dukti ca'e lo kabu'e gi lo kabu'a cu ka to'ebu'e} mu'o mi'e .asiz. On 27 November 2011 08:46, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:32:55AM +0000, tijlan wrote: >> >> Then I wonder how exactly we should think "ru'a" differs from bare >> instances or derivatives of ".ia", "la'a", "pe'i", "da'i", "ju'a", >> "ju'o", "za'a", "ti'e", "je'u", "se'o", "ka'u", "li'a", etc. > > Unknown, and IMHO irrelevant. The Lojban attitudinal system is not design= ed to have no overlap, and designing such a system is probably not possible= in any case. > > The kind of assumption that I associate with =93ru'a=94 is probably close= st to: >> =A0 -- (law) the act of supposing that something is true, although it >> has not yet been proved or is not certain > > -- > Arnt Richard Johansen =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0http://arj.nvg.org/ > Many familiar with Descartes' work are likely to remember him from > philosophy courses as that French guy who was wrong a lot. --Daniel Harbo= ur > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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