Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:34535) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RUjsq-00019z-AE; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:55:29 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf6764031bka.16 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:55:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ftd6NdmpWvVfeTLfGWL57/4DHf7MlasaJyno/UG0x7c=; b=smWmoJ6r4K1gdb4FqBickq8ebsH03plVjxeMQNkexMknT4MQHkBWm512UQngjZtI0W bZiuWR0lcz6K0oQzNue13q5aWdc6vSCeQvNwIPucXKcGrk77DnFx4KTZdhW4pqYX7jbZ hygGhsISAfkOeKYuji567iSvwELdCHMOFR+dY= Received: by 10.205.128.144 with SMTP id he16mr5908490bkc.4.1322420114154; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:55:14 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.200.144 with SMTP id ew16ls8728791bkb.2.gmail; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.154.136 with SMTP id o8mr6192938bkw.2.1322420112841; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.154.136 with SMTP id o8mr6192937bkw.2.1322420112828; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f49.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5si2076591faf.2.2011.11.27.10.55.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.49; Received: by lagu2 with SMTP id u2so453117lag.36 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:55:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.105.83 with SMTP id gk19mr26428116lab.30.1322413927875; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:12:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:12:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4ED238C9.3060703@gmail.com> References: <20111124044118.GF6112@gonzales> <20111126112901.GA27177@gonzales> <4ED238C9.3060703@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:12:07 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] semantic parser - tersmu-0.1rc1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:19 AM, And Rosta wrote: > Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 26/11/2011 17:35: >> >> Assuming >> >> (1) le broda =3D zo'e noi mi ke'a do skicu lo ka broda >> >> (2) ko'a voi broda =3D ko'a noi mi ke'a do skicu lo ka broda > > I think they're both wrong. The "noi" would introduce an illocutionary > element I-HEREBY-ASSERT-INCIDENTALLY, that is not present in "le broda = =3D > ko'a voi broda". Rather, "le broda =3D ko'a voi broda" involve an > illocutionary element DEI-KE'A-DO-SKICU, "I-HEREBY-NONVERIDICALLY-SAY". I think the "I-HEREBY-ASSERT" part is not really in noi, but rather it's the default illocutionary operator for otherwise unmarked propositions, but it can be changed with "noi xu ...", "noi .a'o ...", "noi .ei ...", "noi .e'o ..." and so on. And "voi", assuming it's a variant of "noi" and not of "poi", should then be something like "noi pe'a". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.