Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:45476) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RUzfw-0006O3-WF; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:47:16 -0800 Received: by vbbfs19 with SMTP id fs19sf5497949vbb.16 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:47:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UEHGeLZ1q1EwGba4Zle+QNcU2+5UIKUt8tEp+TlyaTw=; b=3lkmnNK7RLdmx1DspNP5OMfqMkTcJds/BGE4v1XTykBH7sumhYGyICWp8Q13lnLQ6i aoYw3LCxoZUhk7SA96FeLyjW+UTmocAnszGZRgutgBmTfyYQOHH6ofc7AbU8JEL5RE9Z I74xzEfA7zMQqT1JNrihc+L63di1/rfXG6zHk= Received: by 10.52.173.110 with SMTP id bj14mr15030134vdc.3.1322480819816; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:46:59 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.96.200 with SMTP id du8ls11407829vdb.3.gmail; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.187.131 with SMTP id fs3mr55185969vdc.4.1322480818957; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.187.131 with SMTP id fs3mr55185967vdc.4.1322480818950; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vx0-f174.google.com (mail-vx0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8si15734620vdu.2.2011.11.28.03.46.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.174; Received: by mail-vx0-f174.google.com with SMTP id fk14so4198580vcb.5 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.100.76 with SMTP id x12mr4344786vcn.118.1322480818852; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.74] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f11sm45297960vdj.15.2011.11.28.03.46.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:46:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ED374B0.9020406@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:46:56 +0000 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] semantic parser - tersmu-0.1rc1 References: <20111124044118.GF6112@gonzales> <201111271513.27837.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: <201111271513.27837.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Pierre Abbat, On 27/11/2011 20:13: > On Sunday 27 November 2011 09:59:23 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> In Lojban we can even have an imperative in the relative clause, which >> English can't quite do I suppose because both the relative pronoun and >> the verb want first position: >> >> ta noi ko dunda ke'a mi cu cukta >> *That, pass which to me, is a book. >> *That, which pass to me, is a book. >> ?That --which would you please pass to me?-- is a book. > > "That, which pass to me, is a book" is correct. It's not correct for any grammar of English that could be induced from usag= e or indeed from the knowledge of speakers other than you. But it is, in my= eccentric opinion, quite possible that it is correct for a grammar of Engl= ish based on your knowledge of English, since you to appear to have general= ized from the evidence of "quod vide" the licitness of "which see" and "whi= ch pass". --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.