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> > The *only* reason to make "percent" a succeeding modifier (for
> > which we would need a new pagselma'o) is cultural: we're used to saying
> > "ten percent".
>
> The Turks say "y=FCzde on" and write "%10".
>
The more I've been thinking about using {ce'i} instead of {pi} to indicate=
=20
percentages, ({pa no ce'i re} for 10.2%,) the more I like it. It's clean=20
and efficient, and consistent with all integer percentages in previous=20
usage.
=20

> Btw, "pagselma'o" and "nacvla" are misspelled; they both need "y" between=
=20
> the=20
> voiced consonant and the voiceless one.
>
Thanks! I remember finding a lujvo-making thing online that checked all of=
=20
that stuff for me before, but I somehow lost it... Anyway, it's an easy=20
find-and-replace, once I get around to it >< (Thanksgiving kept me busy!)=
=20
Is it okay to use {pauselma'o} and {na'uvla} instead, or is it taboo to=20
avoid the "y" buffering? (I'm not really fond of the sound of {pagy},=20
though {nacy} is a little nicer...)

As I mentioned, I got pretty delayed over the break -- I'm going to be=20
going over the grammar pretty rigorously over the coming times!

mu'o mi'e djandus

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<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex=
;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">&gt; The *only* reason to =
make "percent" a succeeding modifier (for<br>&gt; which we would need a new=
 pagselma'o) is cultural: we're used to saying<br>&gt; "ten percent".<p>The=
 Turks say "y=FCzde on" and write "%10".</p></blockquote><div>The more I've=
 been thinking about using {ce'i} instead of {pi} to indicate percentages, =
({pa no ce'i re} for 10.2%,) the more I like it. It's clean and efficient, =
and consistent with all integer percentages in previous usage.</div><div>&n=
bsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left:=
 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><p>Btw, "pagselma'o"=
 and "nacvla" are misspelled; they both need "y" between the <br>voiced con=
sonant and the voiceless one.</p></blockquote><div>Thanks! I remember findi=
ng a lujvo-making thing online that checked all of that stuff for me before=
, but I somehow lost it... Anyway, it's an easy find-and-replace, once I ge=
t around to it &gt;&lt; (Thanksgiving kept me busy!) Is it okay to use {pau=
selma'o} and {na'uvla} instead, or is it taboo to avoid the "y" buffering? =
(I'm not really fond of the sound of {pagy}, though {nacy} is a little nice=
r...)</div><div><br></div><div>As I mentioned, I got pretty delayed over th=
e break -- I'm going to be going over the grammar pretty rigorously over th=
e coming times!</div><div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e djandus</div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><p></p><p></p><p></p></blockquote>

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