Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:57418) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RVqgF-0002KK-RV; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:23:09 -0800 Received: by ghbf13 with SMTP id f13sf705240ghb.16 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:22:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=JtqsIQY8mQ347//P8/yGd2HU9lcQDU0vtsOUOZUAhFs=; b=P6H6PhWkwutJ0OSqf+wMIH0GTDXVYrlMsnAH69lyg8g3SdVnam9h9gCn8/70OTIiVB nln+99f/uoyvqam/ij13sneKRc1Qj2JdgKtgwuG6SpvHiSRXUs/YasJPMd3r1Dt5fI0p aZvVaddJwsCHaTuQ3J2I8SeFPCwEzzeP+S1nc= Received: by 10.236.125.162 with SMTP id z22mr2011380yhh.16.1322684571058; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:22:51 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.212.35 with SMTP id o35ls9452607anq.2.gmail; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.236.38 with SMTP id j38mr1038113anh.42.1322684570134; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.236.38 with SMTP id j38mr1038112anh.42.1322684570101; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com (mail-qw0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c18si3258038ybe.0.2011.11.30.12.22.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ted.reed@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.41; Received: by mail-qw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id g14so848555qab.14 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.30.70 with SMTP id t6mr638955qcc.169.1322684569887; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:22:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.1.67 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:22:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20111130173647.GO8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111130195612.GF2886@gonzales> From: Theodore Reed Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:22:28 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Rant (baby related): dasni, taxfu, and all their friends. To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ted.reed@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ted.reed@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ted.reed@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163642727bf025fc04b2f97fe0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --00163642727bf025fc04b2f97fe0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {zi'o} makes it a different brivla by altering the place structure. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:07, Luke Bergen wrote: > That's not necessarily true. It's possible to {broda zi'o}. > > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > >> * Wednesday, 2011-11-30 at 09:36 -0800 - Robin Lee Powell < >> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>: >> >> > AFAICT, *NONE* of the clothing words have a place for "being worn >> > by...". See http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/taxfu , wich seems >> > to list all of them. >> > >> > {taxfu} has such a place, but it's ... umm, I'm not sure what that >> > tense is called; intentional or something?, but it's a place for the >> > sort of person that *could* wear the thing, not the person that >> > actually *is* wearing it. >> > >> > This means the *only* way to talk about people wearing clothing is >> > with {dasni}. >> > >> > WTF is the point of having place structures if I can't say {mi te >> > pastu}? >> >> Because then something would pastu only when it was being worn. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00163642727bf025fc04b2f97fe0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {zi'o} makes it a different brivla by altering the place structure.
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:07, Luke Bergen <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lukeabergen@g= mail.com> wrote:
That's not necessarily true. =A0It'= s possible to {broda zi'o}.

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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wr= ote:
* Wednesday, 2011-11-30 at 09:36 -0800 - Rob= in Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:

> AFAICT, *NONE* of the clothing words have a place for "being worn=
> by...". =A0See http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/taxfu , wich = seems
> to list all of them.
>
> {taxfu} has such a place, but it's ... umm, I'm not sure what = that
> tense is called; intentional or something?, but it's a place for t= he
> sort of person that *could* wear the thing, not the person that
> actually *is* wearing it.
>
> This means the *only* way to talk about people wearing clothing is
> with {dasni}.
>
> WTF is the point of having place structures if I can't say {mi te<= br> > pastu}?

Because then something would pastu only when it was being worn.

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