Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:61419) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RVy4i-0005S2-Vp; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:16:52 -0800 Received: by mail-pz0-f61.google.com with SMTP id i14sf173006dad.16 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:16:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :sender:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=PPV031jzNQ6gq1pxdimGnQwlB67Yh0cjmatdcWwxkdI=; b=JwQ2tcigxx+jCruorcd62GhhztYRHiuN4QDQ2ApWoBiIK73kY8sSCqD1SKLjXcDuw/ aRaaCMjfH1psqgDrW3qmuirNFrKPqAUwT04BcMKDEj4TR55J5SKLfu+zoS4BWdbuHstm W+aCn9TnkpiuAAspyRXKV/ZksVBCSNP58p/Xk= Received: by 10.68.54.136 with SMTP id j8mr20518pbp.3.1322713002234; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:16:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.26.8 with SMTP id h8ls9460529pbg.1.gmail; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.36.6 with SMTP id m6mr877122pbj.4.1322713001046; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.36.6 with SMTP id m6mr877121pbj.4.1322713001032; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u7si5780137pbn.2.2011.11.30.20.16.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RVy4d-0005T5-D7 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:16:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:16:39 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Rant (baby related): dasni, taxfu, and all their friends. Message-ID: <20111201041638.GZ8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20111130173647.GO8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111130195612.GF2886@gonzales> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111130195612.GF2886@gonzales> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 02:56:12PM -0500, Martin Bays wrote: > * Wednesday, 2011-11-30 at 09:36 -0800 - Robin Lee Powell : > > > AFAICT, *NONE* of the clothing words have a place for "being worn > > by...". See http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/taxfu , wich seems > > to list all of them. > > > > {taxfu} has such a place, but it's ... umm, I'm not sure what that > > tense is called; intentional or something?, but it's a place for the > > sort of person that *could* wear the thing, not the person that > > actually *is* wearing it. > > > > This means the *only* way to talk about people wearing clothing is > > with {dasni}. > > > > WTF is the point of having place structures if I can't say {mi te > > pastu}? > > Because then something would pastu only when it was being worn. And botpi must contain something, as must kabri. I'm not seeing the problem. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.