Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:37626) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RVzNO-0006Yx-R0; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:40:12 -0800 Received: by yenm12 with SMTP id m12sf1410037yen.16 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:40:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=C+f86IbvlWb2+LT3LnpscEriQyW6LP5Ti74ln4aViHA=; b=K0GXOv+3tQeoGyggjLfj/BNhWbPRSW1DeaiGwZdh2Yz5v6XLNhQ4Eq6p5e7uKXL4Bf aioplt0MYaTfiTqkn1fQ03XOj9uo2+6QknYNPBFLpmaST2WFHWZ+0GRM8mznApha81hm KsAZAQhlD2pO1E59+GhwPod/UP12QBeaGEdlc= Received: by 10.236.125.162 with SMTP id z22mr2638591yhh.16.1322717997963; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:39:57 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.245.19 with SMTP id s19ls10323890ybh.5.gmail; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.123.11 with SMTP id u11mr10020333yhh.3.1322717997289; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.123.11 with SMTP id u11mr10020330yhh.3.1322717997277; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gy0-f174.google.com (mail-gy0-f174.google.com [209.85.160.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r38si1220107ano.2.2011.11.30.21.39.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.174; Received: by mail-gy0-f174.google.com with SMTP id r1so1813729ghr.5 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:39:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.15.232 with SMTP id a8mr1807599pbd.129.1322717997012; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.60.33 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:39:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111201043009.GC8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20111130172022.GK8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111201005555.GS8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111201043009.GC8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 02:39:56 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words: "would you like some more milk?" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 1 December 2011 01:30, Robin Lee Powell wr= ote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:18:46PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Robin Lee Powell >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 09:43:56PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Robin Lee Powell >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Perhaps a lujvo for "x1 is an additional amount of x2 on top >> >> > of current amount x3"? >> >> >> >> ve zmadu: "x1 is an additional amount on top of x2 in property >> >> x3 totalling x4" >> > >> > What's the property? >> >> "lo ka ce'u klani ma kau" > > That seems vaguely like cheating to me, but I see where you're going > there. =A0What do others think? > I agree that {ve zmadu} is appropriate, but I don't think that {loka ce'u klani makau} is the right zmadu3 here. Wouldn't it make zmadu4 a se klani, instead of a ladru? (compare with "I am 10cm shorter than my mother") I believe it makes more sense to have an identity zmadu3 ({loka makau me ce'u}?), with the implied relation being simply of superset (or a similar mereological relation with difference). mu'o mi'e .asiz. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.