Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:49725)
	by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
	(Exim 4.76)
	(envelope-from <lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhC5_dz2BBoEN7e3Aw@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1RW2HD-0007y0-R9; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:46:02 -0800
Received: by bkbzt19 with SMTP id zt19sf1440102bkb.16
        for <multiple recipients>; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:45:48 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=beta;
        h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date
         :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender
         :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list
         :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender
         :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type;
        bh=+kVTasQPn2PRc9bY4xdpLsWW9i0Oohy2zdX3fhpA72E=;
        b=mfjRifhc7pAXFl4Dr6jb7KW4gOiNBvGKd1vwSs9Y31bhhINHjbJjE+fBNkbMbaS/0t
         cxh9TPCRlRuA42ESX7Nd7np2G794fpW5bTXS7XyqawSmZmvwIzX1Omg+OwVu0dh6gIow
         cUG//9euwUbR6tbrbg1hjX5O6JPo1Swsspit8=
Received: by 10.204.39.202 with SMTP id h10mr793812bke.9.1322729145757;
        Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:45:45 -0800 (PST)
X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.204.130.207 with SMTP id u15ls14170911bks.0.gmail; Thu, 01 Dec
 2011 00:45:44 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.204.151.133 with SMTP id c5mr1053355bkw.8.1322729143969;
        Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:45:43 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.204.151.133 with SMTP id c5mr1053354bkw.8.1322729143939;
        Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:45:43 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f43.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43])
        by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w8si3760486bkd.0.2011.12.01.00.45.43
        (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER);
        Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:45:43 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.43;
Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f43.google.com with SMTP id p5so1129270lag.16
        for <lojban@googlegroups.com>; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:45:43 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.152.134.101 with SMTP id pj5mr3925743lab.1.1322729143761; Thu,
 01 Dec 2011 00:45:43 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.152.45.35 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 00:45:43 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <20111130173647.GO8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
References: <20111130173647.GO8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 01:45:43 -0700
Message-ID: <CAMKwHj1k6qw1W5xe_Vrs7j8HjP-W29Jg_sq6vPZe4+Gg0PsFRw@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban] Rant (baby related): dasni, taxfu, and all their friends.
From: Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org
X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com
X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com:
 domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.43 as permitted sender)
 smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f9752bf7a7204b303e088
X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/)
X-Spam_score: 0.0
X-Spam_score_int: 0
X-Spam_bar: /

--f46d042f9752bf7a7204b303e088
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Assuming we were to rewrite these to include a "worn by ..." place, I'd
rather shove it into the x2 and move the current "of material ..."  to x3.

And, yeah, that's just weird. Who's responsible for this mess? :D

Also, cutci is even more annoying, IMO.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Robin Lee Powell <
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

>
> AFAICT, *NONE* of the clothing words have a place for "being worn
> by...".  See http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/taxfu , wich seems
> to list all of them.
>
> {taxfu} has such a place, but it's ... umm, I'm not sure what that
> tense is called; intentional or something?, but it's a place for the
> sort of person that *could* wear the thing, not the person that
> actually *is* wearing it.
>
> This means the *only* way to talk about people wearing clothing is
> with {dasni}.
>
> WTF is the point of having place structures if I can't say {mi te
> pastu}?
>
> :P :P :P
>
> -Robin
>
> --
> http://singinst.org/ :  Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
> Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
> is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false"
> is "na nei".   My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "lojban" group.
> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at
> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.
>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.


--f46d042f9752bf7a7204b303e088
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Assuming we were to rewrite these to include a &quot;worn by ...&quot; plac=
e, I&#39;d rather shove it into the x2 and move the current &quot;of materi=
al ...&quot;=A0 to x3.<br><br>And, yeah, that&#39;s just weird. Who&#39;s r=
esponsible for this mess? :D<br>
<br>Also, cutci is even more annoying, IMO.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Robin Lee Powell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org">rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
AFAICT, *NONE* of the clothing words have a place for &quot;being worn<br>
by...&quot;. =A0See <a href=3D"http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/taxfu" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/taxfu</a> , wich seems=
<br>
to list all of them.<br>
<br>
{taxfu} has such a place, but it&#39;s ... umm, I&#39;m not sure what that<=
br>
tense is called; intentional or something?, but it&#39;s a place for the<br=
>
sort of person that *could* wear the thing, not the person that<br>
actually *is* wearing it.<br>
<br>
This means the *only* way to talk about people wearing clothing is<br>
with {dasni}.<br>
<br>
WTF is the point of having place structures if I can&#39;t say {mi te<br>
pastu}?<br>
<br>
:P :P :P<br>
<br>
-Robin<br>
<br>
--<br>
<a href=3D"http://singinst.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://singinst.org/</a>=
 : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.<br>
Lojban (<a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.loj=
ban.org/</a>): The language in which &quot;this parrot<br>
is dead&quot; is &quot;ti poi spitaki cu morsi&quot;, but &quot;this senten=
ce is false&quot;<br>
is &quot;na nei&quot;. =A0 My personal page: <a href=3D"http://www.digitalk=
ingdom.org/rlp/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/</a><b=
r>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &=
quot;lojban&quot; group.<br>
To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.=
com">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban%2Bun=
subscribe@googlegroups.com">lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
For more options, visit this group at <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/g=
roup/lojban?hl=3Den" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/lojba=
n?hl=3Den</a>.<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;=
e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. m=
i patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<=
br>
<br>

<p></p>

-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.<br />
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.<br />

For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.<br />



--f46d042f9752bf7a7204b303e088--