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>
> If it was up to me, I'd define certain places as being ka'e-able:
> that is, "this place is normally filled by X [where in the case of
> botpi X would be "what the bottle currently contains"], but even if
> there is no current or obvious X, the capability is sufficient for
> the semantics of this word; zi'o should only be used if the
> capability has been lost".
>
> -Robin
>
>
I don't know if I agree with that.  I think a {broda zi'o} isn't
necessarily a {broda} that cannot have an x2 but rather a {broda} that in
this instance does not have an x2.  i.e. there's no reason that {ko'a simlu
lo ka barda zi'o} COULDN'T have an observer, only that in this instance it
does not.  Or... maybe that's the chief difference between noda and zi'o?
 I'll be honest, my grasp of what zi'o is/does in a technical sense is
fairly weak.

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im=
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</div>If it was up to me, I&#39;d define certain places as being ka&#39;e-a=
ble:<br>
that is, &quot;this place is normally filled by X [where in the case of<br>
botpi X would be &quot;what the bottle currently contains&quot;], but even =
if<br>
there is no current or obvious X, the capability is sufficient for<br>
the semantics of this word; zi&#39;o should only be used if the<br>
capability has been lost&quot;.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
-Robin<br><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t know=
 if I agree with that. =A0I think a {broda zi&#39;o} isn&#39;t necessarily =
a {broda} that cannot have an x2 but rather a {broda} that in this instance=
 does not have an x2. =A0i.e. there&#39;s no reason that {ko&#39;a simlu lo=
 ka barda zi&#39;o} COULDN&#39;T have an observer, only that in this instan=
ce it does not. =A0Or... maybe that&#39;s the chief difference between noda=
 and zi&#39;o? =A0I&#39;ll be honest, my grasp of what zi&#39;o is/does in =
a technical sense is fairly weak.</div>

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