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clearly I need to RTFM again.  It *has* been a couple years now.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Robin Lee Powell <
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 11:24:23AM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > If it was up to me, I'd define certain places as being
> > > ka'e-able: that is, "this place is normally filled by X [where
> > > in the case of botpi X would be "what the bottle currently
> > > contains"], but even if there is no current or obvious X, the
> > > capability is sufficient for the semantics of this word; zi'o
> > > should only be used if the capability has been lost".
> > >
> > > -Robin
> > >
> > >
> > I don't know if I agree with that.  I think a {broda zi'o} isn't
> > necessarily a {broda} that cannot have an x2 but rather a {broda}
> > that in this instance does not have an x2.
>
> The CLL strongly disagrees with you; {broda zi'o} is considered a
> different selbri from {broda}; see http://dag.github.com/cll/7/7/.
> You're thinking of {broda no da}.
>
> > i.e. there's no reason that {ko'a simlu lo ka barda zi'o} COULDN'T
> > have an observer, only that in this instance it does not.  Or...
> > maybe that's the chief difference between noda and zi'o?
>
> Oh, sorry, didn't read far enough.  :)
>
> -Robin
>
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clearly I need to RTFM again. =A0It <i>has</i>=A0been a couple years now.<b=
r><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Robin Lee=
 Powell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org=
">rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im">On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 1=
1:24:23AM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; If it was up to me, I&#39;d define certain places as being<br>
&gt; &gt; ka&#39;e-able: that is, &quot;this place is normally filled by X =
[where<br>
&gt; &gt; in the case of botpi X would be &quot;what the bottle currently<b=
r>
&gt; &gt; contains&quot;], but even if there is no current or obvious X, th=
e<br>
&gt; &gt; capability is sufficient for the semantics of this word; zi&#39;o=
<br>
&gt; &gt; should only be used if the capability has been lost&quot;.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; -Robin<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; I don&#39;t know if I agree with that. =A0I think a {broda zi&#39;o} i=
sn&#39;t<br>
&gt; necessarily a {broda} that cannot have an x2 but rather a {broda}<br>
&gt; that in this instance does not have an x2.<br>
<br>
</div>The CLL strongly disagrees with you; {broda zi&#39;o} is considered a=
<br>
different selbri from {broda}; see <a href=3D"http://dag.github.com/cll/7/7=
/" target=3D"_blank">http://dag.github.com/cll/7/7/</a>.<br>
You&#39;re thinking of {broda no da}.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; i.e. there&#39;s no reason that {ko&#39;a simlu lo ka barda zi&#39;o} =
COULDN&#39;T<br>
&gt; have an observer, only that in this instance it does not. =A0Or...<br>
&gt; maybe that&#39;s the chief difference between noda and zi&#39;o?<br>
<br>
</div>Oh, sorry, didn&#39;t read far enough. =A0:)<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
-Robin<br>
<br>
--<br>
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 : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.<br>
Lojban (<a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.loj=
ban.org/</a>): The language in which &quot;this parrot<br>
is dead&quot; is &quot;ti poi spitaki cu morsi&quot;, but &quot;this senten=
ce is false&quot;<br>
is &quot;na nei&quot;. =A0 My personal page: <a href=3D"http://www.digitalk=
ingdom.org/rlp/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/</a><b=
r>
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