Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:46730) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RWAFl-0006oO-Mr; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:17:06 -0800 Received: by dajx4 with SMTP id x4sf420423daj.16 for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:16:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :sender:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=V4Jel31kvkqF9FTF27cSxuW8ydEI7/m9qU+tM3S63wc=; b=h0gBwZGXMFuKEEtloQ8am7zPtKk23cDCPtcHHzdnRmlmcfJgsuN0f1qUssB3XMFLGv 0/7kwc2VljAucSFyzkFocA/nnoN0PGc7eBgYSODoO2Gc+8RKJ7TaQBzPjW4sdNIxzHL6 8R2sPozErUgEcABlUqiFu3av60+ULHOdBJtL8= Received: by 10.68.14.135 with SMTP id p7mr446631pbc.5.1322759809229; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:16:49 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.11.197 with SMTP id s5ls11588506pbb.0.gmail; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.209.68 with SMTP id mk4mr3880481pbc.6.1322759807909; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.209.68 with SMTP id mk4mr3880480pbc.6.1322759807897; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org ([173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j5si8149082pbi.0.2011.12.01.09.16.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: error (google.com: error in processing during lookup of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org: DNS timeout) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RWAFV-0006oL-6a for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:16:41 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:16:41 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Rant (baby related): dasni, taxfu, and all their friends. Message-ID: <20111201171640.GJ22210@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20111130173647.GO8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111130195612.GF2886@gonzales> <20111201041638.GZ8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111201153201.GN2886@gonzales> <20111201160359.GE22210@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111201165455.GO2886@gonzales> <20111201170007.GI22210@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111201171425.GP2886@gonzales> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111201171425.GP2886@gonzales> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=temperror (google.com: error in processing during lookup of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org: DNS timeout) smtp.mail=rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 12:14:25PM -0500, Martin Bays wrote: > * Thursday, 2011-12-01 at 09:00 -0800 - Robin Lee Powell > : > > > On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 11:54:55AM -0500, Martin Bays wrote: > > > * Thursday, 2011-12-01 at 08:03 -0800 - Robin Lee Powell > > > : > > > > > > > > > > or {ti botpi lo canlu}, I'm going to be pretty annoyed. > > > > > > I don't think it's gluteal. With {vasru} it clearly would be, > > > but it often isn't important to a nu kabri that the se kabri > > > be interesting. > > > > Yes, that was *exactly* my point when I said: > > > > > > If it was up to me, I'd define certain places as being > > > > ka'e-able: that is, "this place is normally filled by X > > > > [where in the case of botpi X would be "what the bottle > > > > currently contains"], but even if there is no current or > > > > obvious X, the capability is sufficient for the semantics of > > > > this word; zi'o should only be used if the capability has > > > > been lost". > > > > As currently defined, a kabri is only a kabri if it contains > > something; "contains vacuum" or "contains air" are both dodging > > the question, IMO, especially the former. So I think we should > > canonicalize the whole "this place doesn't have to be > > interesting" thing you just said. > > But if we go from "doesn't have to be interesting" to "doesn't > have to (ca'a) exist", then the place structure does much less to > define the meaning. > > e.g. we wouldn't have the clear difference between {ko'a zukte > ko'e} and {ko'a gasnu ko'e} - we'd be left with just some fuzzy > idea that in the former, there *could* have been a purpose behind > the action - which if we stretch that 'could' far enough, is true > of any nu gasnu. My point was that *particular places* of *particular gismu* would be marked with this behaviour. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". 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