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my bad.  I meant {ko'a simlu lo ka barda kei zi'o}

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Thursday 01 December 2011 11:24:23 Luke Bergen wrote:
> > I don't know if I agree with that.  I think a {broda zi'o} isn't
> > necessarily a {broda} that cannot have an x2 but rather a {broda} that =
in
> > this instance does not have an x2.  i.e. there's no reason that {ko'a
> simlu
> > lo ka barda zi'o} COULDN'T have an observer, only that in this instance
> it
> > does not.  Or... maybe that's the chief difference between noda and zi'=
o?
> >  I'll be honest, my grasp of what zi'o is/does in a technical sense is
> > fairly weak.
>
> "ko'a simlu lo ka barda zi'o" doesn't say that there isn't an observer.
> There
> is an observer. What there may or may not be is a bigness dimension. "ko'=
a
> barda noda" is true if ko'a is small in all dimensions, or is big but has
> no
> dimensions, but is false if ko'a is big in length, width, or height. "ko'=
a
> barda zi'o" is true if ko'a is big but has no dimensions, or is big in
> length, width, or height, but is false if ko'a is small. For "nothing", i=
f
> not meaning to negate the verb, I'd say "lo nonydza" or "lo nomei", e.g.
> (losing the confusion, of course):
> =97do lampagre ma mo'ire'o le klaji?
> =97noda
> =97ju'osai .i le vi citno ninmu ji'a cu viska .iseni'ibo lo nonydza cu ca=
dzu
> snomau do
>
> Pierre
> --
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my bad. =A0I meant {ko&#39;a simlu lo ka barda kei zi&#39;o}<br><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im">On Thursday 01 December 2=
011 11:24:23 Luke Bergen wrote:<br>
&gt; I don&#39;t know if I agree with that. =A0I think a {broda zi&#39;o} i=
sn&#39;t<br>
&gt; necessarily a {broda} that cannot have an x2 but rather a {broda} that=
 in<br>
&gt; this instance does not have an x2. =A0i.e. there&#39;s no reason that =
{ko&#39;a simlu<br>
&gt; lo ka barda zi&#39;o} COULDN&#39;T have an observer, only that in this=
 instance it<br>
&gt; does not. =A0Or... maybe that&#39;s the chief difference between noda =
and zi&#39;o?<br>
&gt; =A0I&#39;ll be honest, my grasp of what zi&#39;o is/does in a technica=
l sense is<br>
&gt; fairly weak.<br>
<br>
</div>&quot;ko&#39;a simlu lo ka barda zi&#39;o&quot; doesn&#39;t say that =
there isn&#39;t an observer. There<br>
is an observer. What there may or may not be is a bigness dimension. &quot;=
ko&#39;a<br>
barda noda&quot; is true if ko&#39;a is small in all dimensions, or is big =
but has no<br>
dimensions, but is false if ko&#39;a is big in length, width, or height. &q=
uot;ko&#39;a<br>
barda zi&#39;o&quot; is true if ko&#39;a is big but has no dimensions, or i=
s big in<br>
length, width, or height, but is false if ko&#39;a is small. For &quot;noth=
ing&quot;, if<br>
not meaning to negate the verb, I&#39;d say &quot;lo nonydza&quot; or &quot=
;lo nomei&quot;, e.g.<br>
(losing the confusion, of course):<br>
=97do lampagre ma mo&#39;ire&#39;o le klaji?<br>
=97noda<br>
=97ju&#39;osai .i le vi citno ninmu ji&#39;a cu viska .iseni&#39;ibo lo non=
ydza cu cadzu<br>
snomau do<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
--<br>
gau do li&#39;i co&#39;e kei do<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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