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[66.94.237.89]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id a16si388700yba.1.2011.12.03.07.25.14; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 07:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.89 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.237.89; Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2011 15:25:14 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.116] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2011 15:25:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2011 15:25:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 421569.91015.bm@omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 61520 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2011 15:25:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: F8pVsbAVM1kljvx0Cq6qE9VsyoTlnq7f9L1qeJmdblZ27wr Lznq8jvA14NcnPxW.dzYaKT840bL2eD3smDJNRxLCS3Zn_Qh5lOUIU8FsABJ gl2M52dRv02eJMrg9HJj.L5I.biMde3Ly02sf4inw.Iu8wuZEZbD_7M7zyZ9 .zCpZX.7PnNiF36v4SqqN.A3Q3BgScFanl.GanPaqcq4Du4x2R8fkDV6Y48i RuUPdU.NOLmvkthf3h2htGgeiVQLoKVTxltP1vhnxFPjnF2RFdOLHf8jN7_A y38Ws8hi8b.a2RAOAIkavl69mjM65L_P38lsNXIVzN254JVBR_li0EySl83j 6Crve.IewUYyqm67oN6axSITirVGPGkgXJHVT7tjphuD4P6p69i6TcyTho17 312qqWVLKwTNl9PBCboX0TMKet868ErxDh_ikWToHKSaa.lseP2VUZSTC9_u rhRXree9sNbl0ozzjazQu4UdGrEJlAjYEQTT3OMpANNmuDFteXQa7ucGuUUL ez7BqKjiRyso2P5zydfST8UI- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 07:25:14 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/589 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <20111203000124.GE11472@gonzales> <20111203002052.GA16395@gonzales> Message-ID: <1322925914.50485.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 07:25:14 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] some critics admire only one another To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Well, not really, "only" is different from "all and only" (necessary v.=20 necessary and sufficient). ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 9:04:43 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] some critics admire only one another On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > > Oops, I was working with the wrong meaning. It's meant to be: > there's a set of critics such that no critic in the set admires > themself or anything outside of the set. But you also need that each of them admires every other critic in the set, right? su'oi da poi xaurpai zo'u ro de poi me da cu sinma ro di poi me da .e nai de ku'o .e no di poi na me da I guess Lojban lacks a pair of reciprocal pronouns like "one another" in English. It would be interesting to see if it's possible to rigorously define a pronoun such that "su'oi xaurpai cu sinma ri'ai po'o" means that. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at=20 http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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