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[66.94.237.92]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id e44si4802520yhk.0.2011.12.03.09.33.08; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.92 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.237.92; Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2011 17:33:08 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.109] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2011 17:33:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2011 17:33:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 154988.64691.bm@omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 2857 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2011 17:33:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UgT.QsAVM1nBDGJyDDnCZQN_mg9Vxv03ilMlXtFip6Ii7HS s6ybBWeCT2t87Vk.pnD1v6uiE15wr5_wXFGR8_ZGaIETHHRC.mfcHFLBMyrR zLNgSuFpniPWkYCaCrFfznFbx69Ta5Z9EKLiFC3CglLAFuF2Vewp.to6iF.0 PQp38KkmmfZporUaZKDS4ddeR2IOtKAGh_zK5XzFaqY8lO.JmLhABHAcOTvj X9xaGbp7qMZCw2upV3uTW_5ZtuZC9rmT.KCOatABwVv4zgupC5AUpESQpmAW JrGQzci20.vLBhJMq.KjZQvVnxjnzwSOEVgQZBOiQlazyez8PyxtxPXsCP42 WJUD8RxZlhOZcgMSz8OfLSuM6g2Q2G.T18FIgUgNB8UFj.y2XtrmdhBMTC3n P7jp92c2jesldNENA5zotcetuFxADb0LB_5_z2G6jST.ZzneW9n_ZQ38eDTQ DVOlmBKd7DuJQd55dydypsxsGiGj7IhOU8XYw9hTLikGfis67OXDyA3Ez0EY nSMhDiYPDVLInPt_b6KCajG67mUkQbQ8ivaLct1vIkg-- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:33:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/589 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <20111203000124.GE11472@gonzales> <20111203002052.GA16395@gonzales> <1322925914.50485.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322933587.36710.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 09:33:07 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] some critics admire only one another To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.92 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Another interesting question (this one seems unresolved by the original exc= ept=20 for the problem cited) is whether this is just about critics they admire or= =20 about folks they admire altogether (who. in these cases, happen to be only= =20 critics). I'm unclear why "one another" means "all non-self:, this seem to = miss=20 the reciprocity (or whatever you want to call it) involved -- which lies at= the=20 heart of the need, in the Frege program, to move to second order to define = the=20 limits of that whatever. Lojban isn't part of the Frege program but takes= =20 various mathematical systems as givens, not needing definitions in terms of= =20 other systems. While I do want to avoid the null case, I don't want to in= sist=20 that each critic in this group admires all the other critics in this group = (but=20 I suppose I do want to eliminate that some admire themselves?). ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 9:34:19 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] some critics admire only one another On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, John E Clifford wro= te: > Well, not really, "only" is different from "all and only" (necessary v. > necessary and sufficient). But if "one another" means "all non-self", then "only one another" means "all non-self and only". Otherwise, if no critic admires anyone it would be true that some critics admire only one another, which seems wrong. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at=20 http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.