Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:57073) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RWtuE-0000gG-5X; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:01:47 -0800 Received: by bkcje16 with SMTP id je16sf530789bkc.16 for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:01:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=DHfxGoi84aON+tVHTB+0pgkDLp48+z+a/Ib2H7q9eZI=; b=DPNY6+7LpvXvngDBmyUA4/fr/hbjS/t9mz1JmCEUs5jiX3r2Fn1kgE+4K2o4V3J1mL epbuTjhDr4rElex/y6w7QC1m4dLYn7pkxGDbweyygK326TTFPSlkUT4qsZYLHNCUw86a T1WsbAuJwTcglKCny1W8HLwY73ueM81Z4fUuc= Received: by 10.205.130.12 with SMTP id hk12mr1547106bkc.28.1322935294472; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:01:34 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.207 with SMTP id u15ls2171385bks.0.gmail; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.136.195 with SMTP id s3mr1498567bkt.5.1322935293275; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.136.195 with SMTP id s3mr1498566bkt.5.1322935293262; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w8si8337734bkd.0.2011.12.03.10.01.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.41; Received: by lahi5 with SMTP id i5so2002989lah.0 for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:01:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.103.132 with SMTP id fw4mr1959617lab.37.1322935292876; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:01:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1322933587.36710.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20111203000124.GE11472@gonzales> <20111203002052.GA16395@gonzales> <1322925914.50485.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1322933587.36710.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:01:32 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] some critics admire only one another From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:33 PM, John E Clifford wrote: > > I'm unclear why "one another" means "all non-self:, It doesn't in general (cf. gymnasts standing on top of one another). My issue is with the reading of "only X" as just "no non-X" rather than as "X and no non-X". That seems to me a weird analysis of "only". Doesn't "I admire only you" entail "I admire you", as well as "I admire no non-you"? mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.