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[66.94.236.31]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id u30si4863742yhu.7.2011.12.03.10.50.14; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.31 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.236.31; Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2011 18:50:14 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.113] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2011 18:50:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2011 18:50:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 114115.90066.bm@omp1018.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 45871 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2011 18:50:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ACv_u_kVM1kennVi_l7.IDyj3C4cyBYf3nPqBpLgTHsyriA lpqrO9AxSt_ce_UJtkNExTKTZIGKbIgkq97GBzrB9q9nhyPaoo9IJASV09w5 s.k8AERNCKm3RU1O9wa7Jtacu.C54LIUEjbOUUVH9m4BaMDsksC96iT0Gd3. 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In strict logic-text fashion, "I admire only you" = does=20 not entail "I admire you" but it does seem pragmatically odd. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 12:01:32 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] some critics admire only one another On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:33 PM, John E Clifford wrot= e: > > I'm unclear why "one another" means "all non-self:, It doesn't in general (cf. gymnasts standing on top of one another). My issue is with the reading of "only X" as just "no non-X" rather than as "X and no non-X". That seems to me a weird analysis of "only". Doesn't "I admire only you" entail "I admire you", as well as "I admire no non-you"? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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