Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:58069) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RXqv2-0005lQ-1U; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:02:38 -0800 Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3sf7040431ggn.16 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:02:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ov/fgAVfCmDNJN5o+qkLVDcJATVaovzY+n2tmreYTUs=; b=mVtZEkoquAfubOO+4evU4a+AYgvRv3TdOLiVi5BfahpwJZotcKkr6fiI1l4lvmJkUr R9gXqU0wLwq/ayJWXl/yy54cARGv3WjysWNLERgLK5TQfkpTpTEeyVXd8oEpzv+QE16o 93tbKVkbBG5LQCueWMpZClv2JbsOOQ0zKlmYI= Received: by 10.236.193.7 with SMTP id j7mr1580603yhn.16.1323162142763; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:02:22 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.134.16 with SMTP id h16ls6348068and.4.gmail; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.15.15 with SMTP id s15mr7454364ani.16.1323162141981; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.15.15 with SMTP id s15mr7454363ani.16.1323162141965; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f174.google.com (mail-gx0-f174.google.com [209.85.161.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a35si1128579yhf.2.2011.12.06.01.02.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.174; Received: by ggnr5 with SMTP id r5so8224310ggn.33 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:02:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.149.33 with SMTP id tx1mr2503750obb.62.1323162141803; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:02:21 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.54.80 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 01:02:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:02:21 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmavo <=> gismu From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 6 December 2011 04:02, Roman Gorelov wrote: > coi ro do. > > Let's look at examples: > 1) .i tu cu bajra tezu'e lo tarci vau > 2) .i tu lo bajra cu zgana lo tarci vau > These two are equal by sense, 1) That distant thing (x1) runs for the purpose of a star. 2) That distant thing (x1) observes a runner (x2) by means of a star (x3). Not equal senses. > and the relation like between words tezu'e (cmavo) and zgana (sumti) is required. "zu'e" comes from "zukte", not "zgana". "zgana" (which isn't a sumti) corresponds to "ga'a". > It's not necessary two > words to be interchangeable in one sentence, but it's enough when a > thought can be equally expressed using one word or another, even with > different sentense constructions. So I'm looking for a full list of > cmavos that have such pairs with sumtis, or maybe a list of pairs. For > example, all cmavos of selmao BAI and UI1 is right what I need because > I have found relation to sumti for each. I have got some poor drafts, > but hope on your help; probably such list already exists. CLL 9.17 has a list of BAI with their gismu equivalents: http://dag.github.com/cll/9/17/ The sumti after "zu'e" means zukte1. If "te zu'e", it means zukte3. mu'o mi'e .tijlan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.