Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:42461) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RYzd5-0007Pw-G6; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:32:49 -0800 Received: by yenm3 with SMTP id m3sf4014165yen.16 for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:32:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0bukMnTTDpC66R2r4SzwP+9b1XxQrK/pXzUEpBnyLyw=; b=dx0whJG5HMtYwNtnMlkuzVOxEn9k9qDPspd8I7JXEj6OeXitjUALQwl8yO6YedoL7+ +eXXIX+fheIOOKoTpDwBIlcivweK8iTK9SybA4tNQAPZ3zbqzg1NqkrRQSP8nm3TXpkK 9lI2lvHGlXkv3f0GaiDBD+nhgF9/oCHuZT3A4= Received: by 10.236.157.169 with SMTP id o29mr2974638yhk.20.1323433954187; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:32:34 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.88.2 with SMTP id q2ls7510427anl.7.gmail; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.204.18 with SMTP id g18mr2178887anq.22.1323433953504; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.204.18 with SMTP id g18mr2178886anq.22.1323433953488; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f178.google.com (mail-gx0-f178.google.com [209.85.161.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a16si343338yba.1.2011.12.09.04.32.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.178; Received: by mail-gx0-f178.google.com with SMTP id q4so2430654ggn.9 for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:32:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.218.100 with SMTP id pf4mr425570obc.12.1323433953367; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:32:33 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.54.80 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 04:32:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201112081740.30375.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201112081740.30375.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:32:33 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] state of {binxo} From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 8 December 2011 22:40, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 08 December 2011 16:29:43 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis wrote: >> Not trying to amend {binxo}, just to clarify its implications. >> >> So, summing it up, the only thing I can generally assert about >> binxo1 and binxo2 is that either the first ceases to exist or the >> second comes to existence in the span of nu binxo, right? >> >> Even this is important, because it means that, no matter how I >> refer to or describe them, either binxo1 has no future or binxo2 >> has no past. > > I think that, in all cases, binxo2 has no past. Consider an iron rod, {lo tirse grana}. A machine repeats the process of bending and straightening it: lo sirji cu binxo lo korcu .i lo korcu cu binxo lo sirji .i lo sirji cu binxo lo korcu .i lo korcu cu binxo lo sirji ... Eventually it gives way: .i lo korcu cu binxo lo porpi {lo porpi} doesn't have a past, but {lo sirji} and {lo korcu} does. (They also each have future instances.) mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.