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  I guess the first question we need to ask is "should lojban even have
words that have more than one scope?"  Assuming the answer is yes, then
since the structure is the same regardless of the exact definition, I would
just put it once, and then the three definitions.  Incidentally, thatnks
for teaching me about "Crown groups".  I had never heard of that before.
 (But then, back when I learned biology there were only two groups of
animals: "Things you can eat" and "Things that will eat you".)
                    --gejyspa


On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> Let's say you have a word that takes more than one sentence to define. This
> could be because one sentence does not approximate precisely enough the
> meaning of the word, or because the word has different meanings in
> different
> contexts or as used by different people. I'll take "mammal" for example.
>
> 1. A vertebrate which has hair and, as an infant, feeds on milk produced by
> skin glands.
> 2. A vertebrate with one bone in the jaw and three in each inner ear.
> 3. A descendant of the last common ancestor of a human, a kangaroo, and a
> platypus.
> All three definitions (assuming no mammal species were created along the
> way)
> define the same set of extant animals. The second is used by
> paleontologists,
> who have no way of telling whether an animal found as a fossil had milk
> glands, and the third is a cladistic definition. All crown-group mammals
> (the
> third definition) also satisfy the second definition, but some animals
> satisfy the second definition but not the third.
>
> Now suppose you want to write a definition of "mabru" that has these three
> senses. Do you write the place structure once and then the three senses, or
> do you write the place structure in each sense? (The Lojban for the last
> two
> animals is "kanguru" and "ornitorinku".)
>
> Pierre
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 I guess the first question we need to ask is &quot;sho=
uld lojban even have words that have more than one scope?&quot; =A0Assuming=
 the answer is yes, then since the structure is the same regardless of the =
exact definition, I would just put it once, and then the three definitions.=
 =A0Incidentally, thatnks for teaching me about &quot;Crown groups&quot;. =
=A0I had never heard of that before. =A0(But then, back when I learned biol=
ogy there were only two groups of animals: &quot;Things you can eat&quot; a=
nd &quot;Things that will eat you&quot;.)<div>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div><div><br><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Let&#39;s say you have a word that takes more than one sentence to define. =
This<br>
could be because one sentence does not approximate precisely enough the<br>
meaning of the word, or because the word has different meanings in differen=
t<br>
contexts or as used by different people. I&#39;ll take &quot;mammal&quot; f=
or example.<br>
<br>
1. A vertebrate which has hair and, as an infant, feeds on milk produced by=
<br>
skin glands.<br>
2. A vertebrate with one bone in the jaw and three in each inner ear.<br>
3. A descendant of the last common ancestor of a human, a kangaroo, and a<b=
r>
platypus.<br>
All three definitions (assuming no mammal species were created along the wa=
y)<br>
define the same set of extant animals. The second is used by paleontologist=
s,<br>
who have no way of telling whether an animal found as a fossil had milk<br>
glands, and the third is a cladistic definition. All crown-group mammals (t=
he<br>
third definition) also satisfy the second definition, but some animals<br>
satisfy the second definition but not the third.<br>
<br>
Now suppose you want to write a definition of &quot;mabru&quot; that has th=
ese three<br>
senses. Do you write the place structure once and then the three senses, or=
<br>
do you write the place structure in each sense? (The Lojban for the last tw=
o<br>
animals is &quot;kanguru&quot; and &quot;ornitorinku&quot;.)<br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
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