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On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Friday 09 December 2011 07:40:50 Michael Turniansky wrote:
> >   I guess the first question we need to ask is "should lojban even have
> > words that have more than one scope?"  Assuming the answer is yes, then
> > since the structure is the same regardless of the exact definition, I
> would
> > just put it once, and then the three definitions.  Incidentally, thatnks
> > for teaching me about "Crown groups".  I had never heard of that before.
>
> So how would you word the definition?
>

  Oh, probably something like:
  x1 se kamjybo'u x2 fi'o se steci la'e di'e
 .itu'e ra'u lo go'i cu se kerfa fi da gi'e pu'i seldja loi ladru be lo
mamta be vo'a
.ibo ma'i  lo za'e kunji'eske lo go'i cu se xejbo'u lo pamei gi'e se ke
nerkerlo bongu lo cimei ku pi'u lo kerlo
.ibo ma'i lo jicyjutsi'o lo go'i cu  seldze lo traji lampru dzena be loi
remna ku jo'u loi kanguru ku jo'u lo ornitorinku tu'u


> >  (But then, back when I learned biology there were only two groups of
> > animals: "Things you can eat" and "Things that will eat you".)
>
> That dichotomy is easily disproved: the piranha is in both categories, and
> brachiopods are in neither. And of course, the human cannot be in only one
> category.
>
>
  That's silly!  Brachipods were extinct, piranha hadn't been discovered,
and Golruk was explaining that last point when Snorg ate him.
              --gejyspa



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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at =
8:57 AM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.opt=
us.nu">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Friday 09 December 2011 07:40:50 Michael Turniansky wr=
ote:<br>
&gt; =A0 I guess the first question we need to ask is &quot;should lojban e=
ven have<br>
&gt; words that have more than one scope?&quot; =A0Assuming the answer is y=
es, then<br>
&gt; since the structure is the same regardless of the exact definition, I =
would<br>
&gt; just put it once, and then the three definitions. =A0Incidentally, tha=
tnks<br>
&gt; for teaching me about &quot;Crown groups&quot;. =A0I had never heard o=
f that before.<br>
<br>
</div>So how would you word the definition?<br></blockquote><div><br></div>=
<div>=A0 Oh, probably something like:</div><div>=A0=A0x1 se kamjybo&#39;u x=
2 fi&#39;o se steci la&#39;e di&#39;e</div><div>=A0.itu&#39;e ra&#39;u lo g=
o&#39;i cu se kerfa fi da gi&#39;e pu&#39;i seldja loi ladru be lo mamta be=
 vo&#39;a=A0</div>
<div>.ibo ma&#39;i =A0lo za&#39;e=A0kunji&#39;eske lo go&#39;i cu se xejbo&=
#39;u lo pamei gi&#39;e se ke nerkerlo bongu lo cimei ku pi&#39;u lo kerlo<=
/div><div>.ibo ma&#39;i lo=A0jicyjutsi&#39;o lo go&#39;i cu =A0seldze lo tr=
aji lampru dzena be loi remna ku jo&#39;u loi kanguru ku jo&#39;u lo=A0<spa=
n class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-=
size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">ornitorinku tu&#39;u</s=
pan></div>
<div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; =A0(But then, back when I learned biology there were only two groups o=
f<br>
&gt; animals: &quot;Things you can eat&quot; and &quot;Things that will eat=
 you&quot;.)<br>
<br>
</div>That dichotomy is easily disproved: the piranha is in both categories=
, and<br>
brachiopods are in neither. And of course, the human cannot be in only one<=
br>
category.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=A0 That&#39;s silly! =A0Brachipods we=
re extinct, piranha hadn&#39;t been discovered, and Golruk was explaining t=
hat last point when Snorg ate him.</div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --=
gejyspa</div>
<div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex;">
Pierre<br>
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