Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:41773) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RZI4d-0006uc-MJ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:14:29 -0800 Received: by dajx4 with SMTP id x4sf4138556daj.16 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:14:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mPJclhelPn+UseBOcyzgRYjtjrCZmbj2I5YqzNuBd7Q=; b=cxTRYol09OY4b0Unfm7sjJfz1MuMsmS8nNMKVgvYsLAXdJsJPvxRnbKVptTGVrieu1 7/OCJ5LB/nJFcy/Te7Ra+FWIllGIj//csi/0uanjs6NYz8dtHnEAn8fUm4frz9lHAsLa JXrRXfroSsfafJzgjEWJSRgHmF5KTSHBh+04c= Received: by 10.68.73.8 with SMTP id h8mr58310pbv.7.1323504854923; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:14:14 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.156.102 with SMTP id wd6ls6639564pbb.2.gmail; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.189.194 with SMTP id gk2mr4018017pbc.3.1323504853768; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.189.194 with SMTP id gk2mr4018016pbc.3.1323504853757; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pz0-f47.google.com (mail-pz0-f47.google.com [209.85.210.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n6si5367589pbg.2.2011.12.10.00.14.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.47; Received: by dake40 with SMTP id e40so4919035dak.34 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:14:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.73.1 with SMTP id h1mr13210042pbv.106.1323504853574; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.52.234 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:14:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:14:13 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Update on gadri Proposal From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Now that the formal definition of {PA broda} has been updated in the gadri Proposal, there are other parts of it that need to be adjusted. The first paragraph, defining {lo}, still says " When an outer quantifier is used without an inner quantifier, lo can be omi= tted. " I think this should be replaced by an exemplified explanation of the differ= ences between {PA broda} and {PA lo broda}. Maybe some of the examples should be reviewed as well. I find the parenthesised {lo} in the following particularly misleading. " o'i mu (lo) xagji sofybakni cu zvati le purdi Caution! There are five hungry Soviet cows in the garden. " mu'o mi'e .asiz. 2011/12/9 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Martin Bays wrote: >> >> Another side-issue (which I maybe shouldn't mention but will anyway) is >> what {PA plise} abbreviates. Is it short for {PA da poi plise} where >> {da} isn't already bound - which saves at least two syllables and saves >> us having to bind a new da? Or is it short for {PA lo plise} - which >> just saves one syllable? The usage here, lojbanic history and the >> demands of efficiency all point towards the former, but the gadri >> proposal currently states the latter. >> >> If that change is to be reverted, I think it would be best to do it >> sooner rather than later. > > Done. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.