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{PA broda} picks PA brodas out of the whole universe of discourse; {PA lo b=
roda}=20
picks PA brodas out of lo broda.  Of course, the two piles of available bro=
das=20
may be the same, but they need not be and often are not.  If the point of t=
he=20
example was to show that {lo} made no difference, then the example should b=
e=20
done away with indeed.



----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 10, 2011 8:39:42 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Update on gadri Proposal

2011/12/10 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>:
> Now that the formal definition of {PA broda} has been updated in the
> gadri Proposal, there are other parts of it that need to be adjusted.
> The first paragraph, defining {lo}, still says
> "
> When an outer quantifier is used without an inner quantifier, lo can be=
=20
>omitted.
> "
>
> I think this should be replaced by an exemplified explanation of the=20
>differences
> between {PA broda} and {PA lo broda}.

What are those differences?

> Maybe some of the examples should be reviewed as well.
> I find the parenthesised {lo} in the following particularly misleading.
> "
> o'i mu (lo) xagji sofybakni cu zvati le purdi
> Caution! There are five hungry Soviet cows in the garden.
> "

What difference in meaning does "lo" make here?

(If we remove (lo) from the example, we should remove the example
entirely, since it's supposed to be an example of "lo".)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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