Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:33998) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RZQau-0001cf-BB; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:20:23 -0800 Received: by dajx4 with SMTP id x4sf4592267daj.16 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:20:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ww7UL+vsBLgCkMOcoGntUwVy+eaWimVubIRxiX8Msyk=; b=k1MYaHuZi7TQ3ouDNJ1Sz34HrlsHIO8xV1o2Jl0Z0C98+TFWpT8t3hdTa9b9qlBetl N8BQazuNzwDYtZ9NpanZTw2L1ZUSYMm3sKv1lne1I8N/3RyKk0TyMwW5uHBtL02RD3ku fkgwicSNh3U71HQHnnUF1QyrswsiDBZJBlIxA= Received: by 10.68.73.10 with SMTP id h10mr1208970pbv.19.1323537608892; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.14.101 with SMTP id o5ls15340441pbc.4.gmail; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.213.232 with SMTP id nv8mr5003599pbc.6.1323537608233; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.213.232 with SMTP id nv8mr5003598pbc.6.1323537608224; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pz0-f46.google.com (mail-pz0-f46.google.com [209.85.210.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j5si17957290pbi.0.2011.12.10.09.20.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.46; Received: by dajs34 with SMTP id s34so792575daj.5 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.72.100 with SMTP id c4mr17456510pbv.55.1323537607859; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.52.234 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:20:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:20:07 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Update on gadri Proposal From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 10 December 2011 05:44, Jonathan Jones wrote: > So.... fix them? It's a wiki, pretty much anyone can make changes. > Sorry. I know that I can, I just wasn't sure that I should make decisions about the main text of the proposal without notice. Anyway, xorxes already did it, thanks. > (At least, I assume the gadri proposal is located on the Lojban wiki, see= ing > as you didn't link to it and I'm not interested enough to go searching.) > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+gadri mu'o > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis > wrote: >> >> Now that the formal definition of {PA broda} has been updated in the >> gadri Proposal, there are other parts of it that need to be adjusted. >> The first paragraph, defining {lo}, still says >> " >> When an outer quantifier is used without an inner quantifier, lo can be >> omitted. >> " >> >> I think this should be replaced by an exemplified explanation of the >> differences >> between {PA broda} and {PA lo broda}. >> >> Maybe some of the examples should be reviewed as well. >> I find the parenthesised {lo} in the following particularly misleading. >> " >> o'i mu (lo) xagji sofybakni cu zvati le purdi >> Caution! There are five hungry Soviet cows in the garden. >> " >> >> mu'o >> mi'e .asiz. >> >> 2011/12/9 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Martin Bays wrote: >> >> >> >> Another side-issue (which I maybe shouldn't mention but will anyway) = is >> >> what {PA plise} abbreviates. Is it short for {PA da poi plise} where >> >> {da} isn't already bound - which saves at least two syllables and sav= es >> >> us having to bind a new da? Or is it short for {PA lo plise} - which >> >> just saves one syllable? The usage here, lojbanic history and the >> >> demands of efficiency all point towards the former, but the gadri >> >> proposal currently states the latter. >> >> >> >> If that change is to be reverted, I think it would be best to do it >> >> sooner rather than later. >> > >> > Done. >> > >> > mu'o mi'e xorxes >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups "lojban" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.