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On 12/11/2011 09:31 PM, John E Clifford wrote:
> Wait.  If we have a means of converting FOL into Lojban, it has -- to be 
> acceptable -- to provide a rule for a means of converting some logical 
> expression into each Lojban sentence.  So, in particular, it has to provide a 
> systematic explanation for even those sentences which are problematic to the 
> back conversion.

That doesn't follow. There may be some well-formed Lojban expressions
that are not produced by converting any FOL expression. Alternatively,
there exist some relations which are much harder to compute in one
direction than the other.

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