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On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 7:27 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2011/12/8 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>:
> > Not trying to amend {binxo}, just to clarify its implications.
>
> The Lojban grammar treats properties differently from non-abstract
> objects. We cannot conventionally say {lo bisli} and imply that it's
> {lo ka bisli}. If we decided that binxo2 be "an acquired property" to
> be attributed to binxo1, that would be a new definition with a
> mandatory NU, and currently valid expressions like {lo djacu cu binxo
> lo bisli} would no longer be grammatical.


Er, no; the grammar has no idea about what types of things different sumti
are. You can put properties and concrete sumti in the same places in any
selbri grammatically. What you're talking about is a sort of low level
semantics that is beneath most other semantics, namely what sorts of things
can do what, that is to say {ka'e} statements.

mu'o mi'e latros

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 7:27 AM, tijlan <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbotijlan@gmail.com">jbotijlan@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">2011/12/8 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
felipeg.assis@gmail.com">felipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; Not trying to amend {binxo}, just to clarify i=
ts implications.<br>
<br>
</div>The Lojban grammar treats properties differently from non-abstract<br=
>
objects. We cannot conventionally say {lo bisli} and imply that it&#39;s<br=
>
{lo ka bisli}. If we decided that binxo2 be &quot;an acquired property&quot=
; to<br>
be attributed to binxo1, that would be a new definition with a<br>
mandatory NU, and currently valid expressions like {lo djacu cu binxo<br>
lo bisli} would no longer be grammatical.</blockquote><div>=A0<br>Er, no; t=
he grammar has no idea about what types of things different sumti are. You =
can put properties and concrete sumti in the same places in any selbri gram=
matically. What you&#39;re talking about is a sort of low level semantics t=
hat is beneath most other semantics, namely what sorts of things can do wha=
t, that is to say {ka&#39;e} statements.<br>
</div><div><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e latros <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
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