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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_12211063_AHvHjkQAAEkyTuV28g2G4neeGCc Subject: Re: [lojban] semantic parser - tersmu-0.1rc1 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:16:06 -0600 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.212.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Well, point one goes against orthodoxy for languages in general and certain= ly for Lojban in particular. Point two is generally true, but much harder = is not impossible. In general, the move from FOL to Lojban ought to seem e= asier than the reverse, but even that may be illusory. Sent from my iPad On Dec 11, 2011, at 9:37 PM, vitci'i wrote: > On 12/11/2011 09:31 PM, John E Clifford wrote: >> Wait. If we have a means of converting FOL into Lojban, it has -- to be= =20 >> acceptable -- to provide a rule for a means of converting some logical= =20 >> expression into each Lojban sentence. So, in particular, it has to prov= ide a=20 >> systematic explanation for even those sentences which are problematic to= the=20 >> back conversion. >=20 > That doesn't follow. There may be some well-formed Lojban expressions > that are not produced by converting any FOL expression. Alternatively, > there exist some relations which are much harder to compute in one > direction than the other. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.