Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:43945) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RasPy-0007rU-Qi; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:15:03 -0800 Received: by eaaa13 with SMTP id a13sf914212eaa.16 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:14:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0QeC5PaewpUY3lQQAZ6WtCmdEyv+uZSTlSYpyTmQv0g=; b=SogFpTv+O0wBQIP/DhLCSRG8QWBF7gRZcin9JnulMRdfuo8pIvOc2AgUyOu964gUy2 iYuMT/m/C2j2hlrPd3UAVBxiVzWnvQyRAAqnZ/Q2mHMiWqLOp1V24kwgE+Ke0UDT6mmh /rftaF6dCmLjvR7GeTfF+Ve7ppXz8AFUe5Sls= Received: by 10.205.118.20 with SMTP id fo20mr563603bkc.18.1323882887484; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:14:47 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.207 with SMTP id u15ls9019350bks.0.gmail; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.131.9 with SMTP id ho9mr193092bkc.6.1323882886368; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.131.9 with SMTP id ho9mr193091bkc.6.1323882886334; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e4si114907bkv.1.2011.12.14.09.14.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.44; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com with SMTP id h2so589174laa.31 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:14:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.131.11 with SMTP id ho11mr1496194bkc.85.1323882885987; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.44.199 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:14:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1323554444.229.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1323533918.28383.YahooMailRC@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1323554444.229.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:14:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Update on gadri Proposal From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0d47e24beac04b410812c X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --000e0ce0d47e24beac04b410812c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, so it seems maybe we've made some concrete decisions here. This is good. So now, maybe someone can explain them again, because I'm not quite sure I understand the inner qualifier? For example, one of the examples on the page is lo pa pixra cu se vamji lo ki'o valsi (One picture is worth a thousand words.). Obviously, this is quite different than pa lo pixra li'o (There is exactly a single one of the pictures under discussion that is worth one thousand words). So it seems, from the example, that "lo pa pixra" means that any generic pixra pamei is worth some generic valsi ki'omei. Is that it? Or am I once again missing subleties? --gejyspa On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:00 PM, John E Clifford wrot= e: > Well, it is often clear that lo broda is less than all the brodas we migh= t > consider -- and often clear that it is at least all of them. > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jorge Llamb=EDas > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sat, December 10, 2011 10:40:43 AM > Subject: Re: [lojban] Update on gadri Proposal > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:18 PM, John E Clifford > wrote: > > {PA broda} picks PA brodas out of the whole universe of discourse; {PA = lo > >broda} > > picks PA brodas out of lo broda. Of course, the two piles of available > brodas > > may be the same, but they need not be and often are not. If the point > of the > > example was to show that {lo} made no difference, then the example > should be > > done away with indeed. > > OK, I removed the offending sentence, and moved the offending example, > minus "(lo)", to the section on "le". > > Since we have no way of specifying or determining the domain of > discourse, I think this is a distinction that makes no difference, but > it's not worth making a fuss over. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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=A0 Okay, so it seems maybe we've made some concrete d= ecisions here. =A0This is good. =A0So now, maybe someone can explain them a= gain, because I'm not quite sure I understand the inner qualifier? =A0F= or example, one of the examples on the page is=A0lo pa pixra cu se vamji lo ki'o valsi=A0=A0(One picture is wo= rth a thousand words.). =A0Obviously, this is quite different than pa lo pi= xra li'o (There is exactly a single one of the pictures under discussio= n that is worth one thousand words). =A0So it seems, from the example, that= "lo pa pixra" means that any generic pixra pamei is worth some g= eneric valsi ki'omei. =A0Is that it? =A0Or am I once again missing subl= eties?

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:00 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.= com> wrote:
Well, it is often clear that lo broda is les= s than all the brodas we might
consider -- and often clear that it is at least all of them.




----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambi= as@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com<= br>
Sent: Sat, December 10, 2011 10:40:43 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Update on gadri Proposal

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Jo= hn E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.= com> wrote:
> {PA broda} picks PA brodas out of the whole universe of discourse; {PA= lo
>broda}
> picks PA brodas out of lo broda. =A0Of course, the two piles of availa= ble brodas
> may be the same, but they need not be and often are not. =A0If the poi= nt of the
> example was to show that {lo} made no difference, then the example sho= uld be
> done away with indeed.

OK, I removed the offending sentence, and moved the offending example,
minus "(lo)", to the section on "le".

Since we have no way of specifying or determining the domain of
discourse, I think this is a distinction that makes no difference, but
it's not worth making a fuss over.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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