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On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 07:41:16PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> > <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > The original was something like "I'm willing to carry you all
> > > the time, I just can't walk any more".  I got stuck on the first
> > > clause.
> >
> > To be willing to do something you just can't do doesn't seem to
> > take much commitment, does it?
>
> I was afraid that confusion would occur.  I was still willing to
> *hold* them, and even hold them standing up, but not to continue
> walking (they wouldn't stop crying unless I was actually walking).
> So those are two disparate clauses; pamjai and cadzu.
>
> > For "amenable" I use "bredi", but I'm not sure it works when you
> > are unable to do it.
>
> Hmmm.  Yeah, {bredi} is pretty good, thanks.
>

  I'm not so sure about "bredi".  There is a reason the expression  is
"ready, willing, and able" -- They imply three different states.  I should
think "willing" might be more in the domain of sarxe/tugni/mapti. I.e, my
internal state is in accord with yours, whether or not I am actually able
or prepared to do so.

               --gejyspa


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at=
 5:44 PM, Robin Lee Powell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell=
@digitalkingdom.org">rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 07:41:16PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDa=
s wrote:<br>
&gt; On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org">rlpowell@digitalkin=
gdom.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; The original was something like &quot;I&#39;m willing to carry yo=
u all<br>
&gt; &gt; the time, I just can&#39;t walk any more&quot;. =A0I got stuck on=
 the first<br>
&gt; &gt; clause.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; To be willing to do something you just can&#39;t do doesn&#39;t seem t=
o<br>
&gt; take much commitment, does it?<br>
<br>
</div>I was afraid that confusion would occur. =A0I was still willing to<br=
>
*hold* them, and even hold them standing up, but not to continue<br>
walking (they wouldn&#39;t stop crying unless I was actually walking).<br>
So those are two disparate clauses; pamjai and cadzu.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; For &quot;amenable&quot; I use &quot;bredi&quot;, but I&#39;m not sure=
 it works when you<br>
&gt; are unable to do it.<br>
<br>
</div>Hmmm. =A0Yeah, {bredi} is pretty good, thanks.<br></blockquote><div><=
br></div><div>=A0 I&#39;m not so sure about &quot;bredi&quot;. =A0There is =
a reason the expression=A0=A0is &quot;ready, willing, and able&quot; -- The=
y imply three different states. =A0I should think &quot;willing&quot; might=
 be more in the domain of sarxe/tugni/mapti. I.e, my internal state is in a=
ccord with yours, whether or not I am actually able or prepared to do so.</=
div>
<div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div><br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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