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 Content preview:  On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 02:38:14PM -0500, Michael Turniansky
    wrote: > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
    wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 07:41:16PM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
    > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell > > > <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
    wrote: > > > > > > > > The original was something like "I'm willing to carry
    you all > > > > the time, I just can't walk any more". I got stuck on the
    first > > > > clause. > > > > > > To be willing to do something you just
   can't do doesn't seem to > > > take much commitment, does it? > > > > I was
    afraid that confusion would occur. I was still willing to > > *hold* them,
    and even hold them standing up, but not to continue > > walking (they wouldn't
    stop crying unless I was actually walking). > > So those are two disparate
    clauses; pamjai and cadzu. > > > > > For "amenable" I use "bredi", but I'm
    not sure it works when you > > > are unable to do it. > > > > Hmmm. Yeah,
    {bredi} is pretty good, thanks. > > > > I'm not so sure about "bredi". There
    is a reason the expression > is "ready, willing, and able" -- They imply
   three different > states. I should think "willing" might be more in the domain
    of > sarxe/tugni/mapti. I.e, my internal state is in accord with yours, >
    whether or not I am actually able or prepared to do so. [...] 
 
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 02:38:14PM -0500, Michael Turniansky wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>=20
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 07:41:16PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> > > <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The original was something like "I'm willing to carry you all
> > > > the time, I just can't walk any more".  I got stuck on the first
> > > > clause.
> > >
> > > To be willing to do something you just can't do doesn't seem to
> > > take much commitment, does it?
> >
> > I was afraid that confusion would occur.  I was still willing to
> > *hold* them, and even hold them standing up, but not to continue
> > walking (they wouldn't stop crying unless I was actually walking).
> > So those are two disparate clauses; pamjai and cadzu.
> >
> > > For "amenable" I use "bredi", but I'm not sure it works when you
> > > are unable to do it.
> >
> > Hmmm.  Yeah, {bredi} is pretty good, thanks.
> >
>=20
> I'm not so sure about "bredi".  There is a reason the expression
> is "ready, willing, and able" -- They imply three different
> states.  I should think "willing" might be more in the domain of
> sarxe/tugni/mapti. I.e, my internal state is in accord with yours,
> whether or not I am actually able or prepared to do so.

I don't really like any of them, honestly.  -_-  Mostly including
{bredi}.

So, time for a new word?  What does "willing" actually *mean*?

-Robin

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