Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:56406) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RbLk5-0004pw-5n; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:42 -0800 Received: by vbbfs19 with SMTP id fs19sf1019676vbb.16 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=geCXZCmCPd863G2Q4jvg+HZh2t9b0foo1dSk6EN6RgM=; b=5fIkD4wTrKEJWzo0SPngfO8hV47MgsSnA63KUpY464N0pEpZ5hLw9qrXUmbHc4ubb5 kEOVrz1Hv5A0WuDSHnLbRpfdtjSlierMmdULZI05jWt8lVnoz3Jp7IwlaYbZeNLCk01l FcrjTSqOJenSDzzimbWOMXCAXhQ3xcN5wfVLU= Received: by 10.52.92.234 with SMTP id cp10mr762702vdb.6.1323995610729; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.149.17 with SMTP id r17ls2199511vcv.0.gmail; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.77.97 with SMTP id r1mr4149848vdw.4.1323995609782; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.77.97 with SMTP id r1mr4149846vdw.4.1323995609773; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f41.google.com (mail-vw0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jz14si2328186vdb.1.2011.12.15.16.33.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.41; Received: by mail-vw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fn1so2422878vbb.0 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.21.211 with SMTP id x19mr4816684vde.58.1323995609691; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.69.19 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:33:29 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] The di'u-series From: tsani nicte To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3079bafafff46404b42abffd X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf3079bafafff46404b42abffd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A topic of interest came up in #lojban today with regards to the di'u-series. Are it's referents unique instances of an event of saying the quotation, or do textually identical quotations have the same value when referred by a di'u. mu'a .i co'e .i di'u goi ko'a se cusku da goi fo'a .i co'e .i di'u goi ko'e se cusku de goi fo'e .i ko'a mo ko'e .i xu du .i xu nadu Also, if ko'e were said by fo'a rather than fo'e, would it make any difference? ki'e ui mu'o mi'e la tan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf3079bafafff46404b42abffd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 A topic of interest came up in #lojban today with regards to the di'u-series. Are it's referents unique instances of an event of saying the quotation, or do textually identical quotations have the same value when referred by a di'u.

mu'a
.i co'e .i di'u goi ko'a se cusku da goi fo'a
.i co'e .i di'u goi ko'e se cusku de goi fo'e
.i ko'a mo ko'e
.i xu du
.i xu nadu

Also, if ko'e were said by fo'a rather than fo'e, would it make any difference?

ki'e ui
mu'o mi'e la tan

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