Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:37705) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RbdsG-0006n4-Vq; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:34 -0800 Received: by yenm3 with SMTP id m3sf3628272yen.16 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6mW0NC6s3TRq07KWZKV10dqEagk2yvA3u732CsG3IgA=; b=WkN2iaJdlE4x+zMJFWYVZ6OL8reHq9AGyxNvtNiHbKJEpUCCsAxRkfm68HHCOGlrUj myYk4mO8rjzIp40N1CD6kTShOY6DXALfC89TgJKGH6pWOR5TFOu8V/dWUqo90hPz1Tn5 +3cyxtnYz9yLCJa7e/Mw1wJlqPSSgPGmtvze4= Received: by 10.236.175.2 with SMTP id y2mr3636388yhl.4.1324065310908; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:10 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.20.21 with SMTP id 21ls12340237ybt.7.gmail; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.123.11 with SMTP id u11mr17996163yhh.3.1324065309604; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.123.11 with SMTP id u11mr17996161yhh.3.1324065309586; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-f43.google.com (mail-yw0-f43.google.com [209.85.213.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e38si4443163ana.0.2011.12.16.11.55.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.43; Received: by yhr49 with SMTP id 49so64213309yhr.30 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.135.77 with SMTP id t53mr14099093yhi.49.1324065309103; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.4.133 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:54:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111216191725.GC22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20111216191725.GC22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> From: Luke Bergen Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:54:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Mini-rant: gismu place consistency To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300e51bb68959e04b43afab6 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf300e51bb68959e04b43afab6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hmmm, what about words like {vecnu} where the audience seems less important than the direct object? Or is that my lingual bias coming through? On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > If I had it to do over again, every gismu with an agent place would > have it as the first place. Every gismu with an audience or second > agent of any type would have it as the second place. There would > probably be several other regularities as well. > > I've been saying {manci} and {melbi} to my babies *a lot*, and I > *still* have trouble remembering that it's {do melbi mi} and {mi > manci do}. GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf300e51bb68959e04b43afab6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm, what about words like {vecnu} where the audience seems less important= than the direct object? =A0Or is that my lingual bias coming through?
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robin Lee Po= well <r= lpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

If I had it to do over again, every gismu with an agent place would
have it as the first place. =A0Every gismu with an audience or second
agent of any type would have it as the second place. =A0There would
probably be several other regularities as well.

I've been saying {manci} and {melbi} to my babies *a lot*, and I
*still* have trouble remembering that it's {do melbi mi} and {mi
manci do}. =A0GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

-Robin

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Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
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