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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j5si11700294pbi.0.2011.12.16.11.58.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rbdv2-0006qV-CH for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:58:12 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:58:12 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Mini-rant: gismu place consistency Message-ID: <20111216195812.GK22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20111216191725.GC22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / This isn't about importance; that's what got us into this mess. It's about ease of memorization. :) -Robin On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 02:54:48PM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote: > Hmmm, what about words like {vecnu} where the audience seems less > important than the direct object? Or is that my lingual bias > coming through? > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > > If I had it to do over again, every gismu with an agent place would > > have it as the first place. Every gismu with an audience or second > > agent of any type would have it as the second place. There would > > probably be several other regularities as well. > > > > I've been saying {manci} and {melbi} to my babies *a lot*, and I > > *still* have trouble remembering that it's {do melbi mi} and {mi > > manci do}. GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. > > > > -Robin > > > > -- > > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > > is "na nei". 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