Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:46843) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rbe9O-0006wv-9c; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:13:04 -0800 Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3sf3593568ggn.16 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uiTvPy/VMMIRZx1tqif0qxMIFWBiGWtjsSWmmb7RYGc=; b=DwZ/hlOkKEAovIFdAreNNOAvQPD6xyWvEOewvsg6YuYxiEmIBRpccM2dUh6OfEbTo4 qouRXgLOJeyStfI6NWAWk/xKDbhaa6j6EkZ/yqECz48JSDTQaBNomhC9vSnnWiP9PUng r3TtKspcKndxytOUmv1v0+N3B5wtbhX6KvawY= Received: by 10.236.175.2 with SMTP id y2mr3665057yhl.4.1324066367101; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:47 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.2.12 with SMTP id e12ls6927216ani.3.gmail; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.156.98 with SMTP id l62mr1355216yhk.4.1324066366450; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.156.98 with SMTP id l62mr1355214yhk.4.1324066366434; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com (mail-yx0-f179.google.com [209.85.213.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a35si3056547yhf.2.2011.12.16.12.12.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.179; Received: by yenm9 with SMTP id m9so2397214yen.10 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.189.104 with SMTP id b68mr1368332yhn.21.1324066366346; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.103] (76-76-236-67.lisco.net. [76.76.236.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y58sm15769342yhi.17.2011.12.16.12.12.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:12:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EEBA63B.4050403@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:12:43 -0600 From: vitci'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110921 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Mini-rant: mutce and traji must die. References: <20111216193101.GG22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20111216193101.GG22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> X-Original-Sender: celestialcognition@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=celestialcognition@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 12/16/2011 01:31 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > These places must die! I'm kind of curious to see how far this can be taken. What would happen if, even in gismu, we forbade any place that can be replaced by a modal? Consider {cusku}. x1 (agent) expresses/says x2 (sedu'u/text/lu'e concept) for audience x3 via expressive medium x4. cusku1 is covered by {gau}, and cusku3 is covered by {ri'i}. cusku4 is covered by {xebe'i}. Though I'm stretching a bit, cusku2 could be covered by {fi'o jufra}, leaving us with a zero-place gismu. I am vaguely imagining a language centered around modals rather than predicates, with selbri being created implicitly and nonce by the lists of their places. I'm not sure that this is different from all gismu having exactly one place. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.