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On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 02:12:43PM -0600, vitci'i wrote:
> On 12/16/2011 01:31 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > These places must die!
> 
> I'm kind of curious to see how far this can be taken. What would
> happen if, even in gismu, we forbade any place that can be
> replaced by a modal?

Can those places be replaced by a modal?  Which one?

I have, fwiw, considered that posibility in my head as well.  I
think that's too much of some-other-language-that-isn't-Lojban.

> Consider {cusku}.
> 
> x1 (agent) expresses/says x2 (sedu'u/text/lu'e concept) for
> audience x3 via expressive medium x4.
> 
> cusku1 is covered by {gau}, and cusku3 is covered by {ri'i}.
> cusku4 is covered by {xebe'i}. Though I'm stretching a bit, cusku2
> could be covered by {fi'o jufra}, leaving us with a zero-place
> gismu.

*snrk*

> I am vaguely imagining a language centered around modals rather
> than predicates, with selbri being created implicitly and nonce by
> the lists of their places. I'm not sure that this is different
> from all gismu having exactly one place.

Yeah, as I say, I've pondered that as well as a thought experiment,
but it's a different language.  Probably a much more verbose one.

-Robin

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