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[66.94.236.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id r30si4731035anp.1.2011.12.16.15.12.21; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.236.19; Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 23:12:21 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.111] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 23:12:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 23:12:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 180873.80013.bm@omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 75777 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2011 23:12:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: X0sbrzMVM1n4QJ8.x0AaW6Qn5tue1A9I4MYm9FI8hmNnexY 9pk7zrLV5 Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:12:20 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <20111216191725.GC22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4EEB9A44.3000403@gmail.com> <20111216192540.GF22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: <1324077140.57508.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:12:20 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Mini-rant: gismu place consistency To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <20111216192540.GF22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / The last one, which may have died years ago was called "LoCCan3", I think. Many things -- not merely vocabulary -- have been added since then. ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, December 16, 2011 1:25:40 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Mini-rant: gismu place consistency On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 01:21:40PM -0600, vitci'i wrote: > On 12/16/2011 01:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > If I had it to do over again, every gismu with an agent place > > would have it as the first place. Every gismu with an audience > > or second agent of any type would have it as the second place. > > There would probably be several other regularities as well. > > > > I've been saying {manci} and {melbi} to my babies *a lot*, and I > > *still* have trouble remembering that it's {do melbi mi} and {mi > > manci do}. GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. > > Perhaps there should be a central repository of things we'd like > to fix when the next major version of lojban occurs. (There almost > certainly will be one eventually if the language lasts long > enough. Maybe it'll be in ten years, maybe a hundred, but it > *will* need a major update *eventually*.) I'm really hoping to avoid that. But I think there's at least one page on the wiki; search for loccan maybe? -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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