On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 = at 5:14 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

when I get some LaTeX help, yes.

-Robin

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 04:50:47PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> Well, unless I'm mistaken, these are the *new* decision days, and = Robin is
> Decision Man.
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:20 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > Wish you'd been around in the decision days.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
> > To: lojban@googlegroup= s.com
> > Sent: Fri, December 16, 2011 5:14:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [lojban] Mini-rant: mutce and traji must die.
> >
> > See, I *like* {x1 is bluer than x2}. =A0*That* is a good use of p= lace
> > structure; it gives you immediate access to extra meaning you mig= ht
> > actually want with no extra syllables.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 03:08:38PM -0800, John E Clifford wrote:<= br> > > > Back in the day, most basic adjectives were inherently compa= rative:
> > {blanu} was
> > >
> > > officially "x1 is bluer than x2" (with maybe a few= more places -- this
> > is a
> > > Loglan word here, btw). =A0This always raised the question, = when you
> > wanted to
> > >use
> > >
> > > the merely attributive sense, "What is it bluer than wh= en it is simply
> > blue"
> > >and
> > >
> > > the answer always was (though no one ever seemed to like) &q= uot;the
> > > standard/average/typical/.... one of what ever x1 is relevan= tly at the
> > moment",
> > >
> > > roughly "blue for a ...". =A0I was usually elided = in the "you know what I
> > mean"
> > > way, though the opponents always treated it as a "somet= hing" elision.
> > (Using
> > > basic comparatives makes a couple of moves in semantics a lo= t easier,
> > which is
> >
> > > why it was used. =A0I miss it)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>
> > > To: lojban@google= groups.com
> > > Sent: Fri, December 16, 2011 2:36:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [lojban] Mini-rant: mutce and traji must die. > > >
> > > One of the things I really like about lojban (in the abstrac= t, not
> > necessarily
> >
> > > in practice) is that selbri have places which make explicit = certain
> > things
> > >which
> > >
> > > are completely implicit in other languages; one example: {ra= jycla} has a
> > "by
> > > standard" place (inherited from {clani}), which makes i= t clear that the
> > > "standard of tallness" matters in any discussion o= f height, and requires
> > a
> > > different selbri ({rajycla be zi'o}) to ignore it.
> > >
> > > It seems to me that spoken lojban will (almost) never use mo= re than three
> > > places, common written lojban will behave similarly, and tec= hnical or
> > pedantic
> >
> > > lojban will have some words (depending on context) which use= more places.
> > >
> > > {.ua ro di'u na'e se ganzu}
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> > rlpowell@digitalki= ngdom.org>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 02:12:43PM -0600, vitci'i wrote:=
> > > >> On 12/16/2011 01:31 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > > >> > These places must die!
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm kind of curious to see how far this can be = taken. What would
> > > >> happen if, even in gismu, we forbade any place that= can be
> > > >> replaced by a modal?
> > > >
> > > >Can those places be replaced by a modal? =A0Which one? > > > >
> > > >I have, fwiw, considered that posibility in my head as w= ell. =A0I
> > > >think that's too much of some-other-language-that-is= n't-Lojban.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Consider {cusku}.
> > > >>
> > > >> x1 (agent) expresses/says x2 (sedu'u/text/lu= 9;e concept) for
> > > >> audience x3 via expressive medium x4.
> > > >>
> > > >> cusku1 is covered by {gau}, and cusku3 is covered b= y {ri'i}.
> > > >> cusku4 is covered by {xebe'i}. Though I'm s= tretching a bit, cusku2
> > > >> could be covered by {fi'o jufra}, leaving us wi= th a zero-place
> > > >> gismu.
> > > >
> > > >*snrk*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> I am vaguely imagining a language centered around m= odals rather
> > > >> than predicates, with selbri being created implicit= ly and nonce by
> > > >> the lists of their places. I'm not sure that th= is is different
> > > >> from all gismu having exactly one place.
> > > >
> > > >Yeah, as I say, I've pondered that as well as a thou= ght experiment,
> > > >but it's a different language. =A0Probably a much mo= re verbose one.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-Robin
> > > >
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