On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Robin L= ee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

No, no-one has actually given me any help ye= t.

-Robin

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 05:23:28PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> I thought you already got that? I remember a couple of people saying t= hey
> at least knew it....
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom= .org> wrote:
>
> > when I get some LaTeX help, yes.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 04:50:47PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > Well, unless I'm mistaken, these are the *new* decision = days, and Robin
> > is
> > > Decision Man.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:20 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wish you'd been around in the decision days.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
> > > > To: lojban@g= ooglegroups.com
> > > > Sent: Fri, December 16, 2011 5:14:41 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [lojban] Mini-rant: mutce and traji must d= ie.
> > > >
> > > > See, I *like* {x1 is bluer than x2}. =A0*That* is a goo= d use of place
> > > > structure; it gives you immediate access to extra meani= ng you might
> > > > actually want with no extra syllables.
> > > >
> > > > -Robin
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 03:08:38PM -0800, John E Cliffo= rd wrote:
> > > > > Back in the day, most basic adjectives were inhere= ntly comparative:
> > > > {blanu} was
> > > > >
> > > > > officially "x1 is bluer than x2" (with m= aybe a few more places --
> > this
> > > > is a
> > > > > Loglan word here, btw). =A0This always raised the = question, when you
> > > > wanted to
> > > > >use
> > > > >
> > > > > the merely attributive sense, "What is it blu= er than when it is
> > simply
> > > > blue"
> > > > >and
> > > > >
> > > > > the answer always was (though no one ever seemed t= o like) "the
> > > > > standard/average/typical/.... one of what ever x1 = is relevantly at
> > the
> > > > moment",
> > > > >
> > > > > roughly "blue for a ...". =A0I was usual= ly elided in the "you know
> > what I
> > > > mean"
> > > > > way, though the opponents always treated it as a &= quot;something" elision.
> > > > (Using
> > > > > basic comparatives makes a couple of moves in sema= ntics a lot easier,
> > > > which is
> > > >
> > > > > why it was used. =A0I miss it)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>
> > > > > To: loj= ban@googlegroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Fri, December 16, 2011 2:36:13 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [lojban] Mini-rant: mutce and traji m= ust die.
> > > > >
> > > > > One of the things I really like about lojban (in t= he abstract, not
> > > > necessarily
> > > >
> > > > > in practice) is that selbri have places which make= explicit certain
> > > > things
> > > > >which
> > > > >
> > > > > are completely implicit in other languages; one ex= ample: {rajycla}
> > has a
> > > > "by
> > > > > standard" place (inherited from {clani}), whi= ch makes it clear that
> > the
> > > > > "standard of tallness" matters in any di= scussion of height, and
> > requires
> > > > a
> > > > > different selbri ({rajycla be zi'o}) to ignore= it.
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems to me that spoken lojban will (almost) ne= ver use more than
> > three
> > > > > places, common written lojban will behave similarl= y, and technical or
> > > > pedantic
> > > >
> > > > > lojban will have some words (depending on context)= which use more
> > places.
> > > > >
> > > > > {.ua ro di'u na'e se ganzu}
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Robin Lee Powell = <
> > > > rlpowell= @digitalkingdom.org>
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 02:12:43PM -0600, vitci= 9;i wrote:
> > > > > >> On 12/16/2011 01:31 PM, Robin Lee Powell = wrote:
> > > > > >> > These places must die!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I'm kind of curious to see how far th= is can be taken. What would
> > > > > >> happen if, even in gismu, we forbade any = place that can be
> > > > > >> replaced by a modal?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Can those places be replaced by a modal? =A0Wh= ich one?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I have, fwiw, considered that posibility in my= head as well. =A0I
> > > > > >think that's too much of some-other-langua= ge-that-isn't-Lojban.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Consider {cusku}.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> x1 (agent) expresses/says x2 (sedu'u/= text/lu'e concept) for
> > > > > >> audience x3 via expressive medium x4.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> cusku1 is covered by {gau}, and cusku3 is= covered by {ri'i}.
> > > > > >> cusku4 is covered by {xebe'i}. Though= I'm stretching a bit, cusku2
> > > > > >> could be covered by {fi'o jufra}, lea= ving us with a zero-place
> > > > > >> gismu.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >*snrk*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> I am vaguely imagining a language centere= d around modals rather
> > > > > >> than predicates, with selbri being create= d implicitly and nonce by
> > > > > >> the lists of their places. I'm not su= re that this is different
> > > > > >> from all gismu having exactly one place.<= br> > > > > > >
> > > > > >Yeah, as I say, I've pondered that as well= as a thought experiment,
> > > > > >but it's a different language. =A0Probably= a much more verbose one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-Robin
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--
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> > > > > >Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "thi= s parrot
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