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Right, but my question is that with Robin's initial email he said that the
audience or second agent would be in x2 which feels awkward for things like
{vecnu} where it seems like the direct object is more important than the
secondary agent (the te vecnu)

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> The nice thing about {vecnu} if you aren't going to have two words for
> "buy" and "sell" is that both {vecnu} and {te vecnu} have the
> purchased-thing in the x2.
>
> mu'o mi'e latros
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, what about words like {vecnu} where the audience seems less
>> important than the direct object?  Or is that my lingual bias coming
>> through?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
>> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If I had it to do over again, every gismu with an agent place would
>>> have it as the first place.  Every gismu with an audience or second
>>> agent of any type would have it as the second place.  There would
>>> probably be several other regularities as well.
>>>
>>> I've been saying {manci} and {melbi} to my babies *a lot*, and I
>>> *still* have trouble remembering that it's {do melbi mi} and {mi
>>> manci do}.  GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
>>>
>>> -Robin
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Right, but my question is that with Robin&#39;s initial email he said that =
the audience or second agent would be in x2 which feels awkward for things =
like {vecnu} where it seems like the direct object is more important than t=
he secondary agent (the te vecnu)<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Ian Johnson=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com">blindbrava=
do@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

The nice thing about {vecnu} if you aren&#39;t going to have two words for =
&quot;buy&quot; and &quot;sell&quot; is that both {vecnu} and {te vecnu} ha=
ve the purchased-thing in the x2.<br><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e latros<div class=
=3D"HOEnZb">

<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Luke Bergen <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">lukeabergen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">


Hmmm, what about words like {vecnu} where the audience seems less important=
 than the direct object? =A0Or is that my lingual bias coming through?<div>=
<div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Ro=
bin Lee Powell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalking=
dom.org" target=3D"_blank">rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br>




<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
If I had it to do over again, every gismu with an agent place would<br>
have it as the first place. =A0Every gismu with an audience or second<br>
agent of any type would have it as the second place. =A0There would<br>
probably be several other regularities as well.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve been saying {manci} and {melbi} to my babies *a lot*, and I<br>
*still* have trouble remembering that it&#39;s {do melbi mi} and {mi<br>
manci do}. =A0GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.<br>
<br>
-Robin<br>
<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
<a href=3D"http://singinst.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://singinst.org/</a>=
 : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.<br>
Lojban (<a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.loj=
ban.org/</a>): The language in which &quot;this parrot<br>
is dead&quot; is &quot;ti poi spitaki cu morsi&quot;, but &quot;this senten=
ce is false&quot;<br>
is &quot;na nei&quot;. =A0 My personal page: <a href=3D"http://www.digitalk=
ingdom.org/rlp/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/</a><b=
r>
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