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It was a rant; it wasn't intended to be well thought out.  :)

-Robin

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 02:56:28PM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote:
> Right, but my question is that with Robin's initial email he said that the
> audience or second agent would be in x2 which feels awkward for things like
> {vecnu} where it seems like the direct object is more important than the
> secondary agent (the te vecnu)
> 
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > The nice thing about {vecnu} if you aren't going to have two words for
> > "buy" and "sell" is that both {vecnu} and {te vecnu} have the
> > purchased-thing in the x2.
> >
> > mu'o mi'e latros
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Hmmm, what about words like {vecnu} where the audience seems less
> >> important than the direct object?  Or is that my lingual bias coming
> >> through?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> >> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> If I had it to do over again, every gismu with an agent place would
> >>> have it as the first place.  Every gismu with an audience or second
> >>> agent of any type would have it as the second place.  There would
> >>> probably be several other regularities as well.
> >>>
> >>> I've been saying {manci} and {melbi} to my babies *a lot*, and I
> >>> *still* have trouble remembering that it's {do melbi mi} and {mi
> >>> manci do}.  GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
> >>>
> >>> -Robin
> >>>
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