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I don't think I understand this. How would you say what {.i do ko'a me'ei
lo melbi} says without using me'ei?

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Daniel Brockman <dbrockman@gmail.com>wrote:

> I think we should have a generic operator for converting a sumti referring
> to a selbri into a selbri.  I propose calling it {me'ei}.  It'd be part of
> ME.
>
> For example,
>
>    i do ko'a me'ei lo melbi
>    You have a beautiful relation to ko'a.
>
>    i pe'i la xalbo na me'ei lo smuni be lo cmene be vo'a
>    I don't think xalbo lives up to his name.
>
> This plugs a language hole that may be somewhat theoretical but in my
> opinion
> is pretty fundamental.  It also provides a way to define things like
> {me'oi}:
>
>    {me'oi foo} = {me'ei lo smuni be zo'oi foo}
>
> And if you don't like {bu'a}, which is a bit awkward to quantify,
> depending on
> your standard for awkwardness, you can just use {me'ei da}.
>
> All in all, it's a powerful tool for talking about and manipulating
> predicates.
>
> For example, one could define a brivla like this:
>
>    {kibro} = {me'ei lo smuni be zo kibro bei la jbovlaste}
>
> Now, maybe that's not how you interpret it, but at least now you can
> talk about it in a precise manner.
>
> Thoughts?
>
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I don&#39;t think I understand this. How would you say what {.i do ko&#39;a=
 me&#39;ei lo melbi} says without using me&#39;ei?<br><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Daniel Brockman <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dbrockman@gmail.com">dbrockman@gmail.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think we should have a generic operator fo=
r converting a sumti referring<br>
to a selbri into a selbri. =A0I propose calling it {me&#39;ei}. =A0It&#39;d=
 be part of ME.<br>
<br>
For example,<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0i do ko&#39;a me&#39;ei lo melbi<br>
 =A0 =A0You have a beautiful relation to ko&#39;a.<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0i pe&#39;i la xalbo na me&#39;ei lo smuni be lo cmene be vo&#39;a<b=
r>
 =A0 =A0I don&#39;t think xalbo lives up to his name.<br>
<br>
This plugs a language hole that may be somewhat theoretical but in my opini=
on<br>
is pretty fundamental. =A0It also provides a way to define things like {me&=
#39;oi}:<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0{me&#39;oi foo} =3D {me&#39;ei lo smuni be zo&#39;oi foo}<br>
<br>
And if you don&#39;t like {bu&#39;a}, which is a bit awkward to quantify, d=
epending on<br>
your standard for awkwardness, you can just use {me&#39;ei da}.<br>
<br>
All in all, it&#39;s a powerful tool for talking about and manipulating pre=
dicates.<br>
<br>
For example, one could define a brivla like this:<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0{kibro} =3D {me&#39;ei lo smuni be zo kibro bei la jbovlaste}<br>
<br>
Now, maybe that&#39;s not how you interpret it, but at least now you can<br=
>
talk about it in a precise manner.<br>
<br>
Thoughts?<br>
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</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;=
e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. m=
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