Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:55026) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RcgjV-0007LM-5y; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:10:38 -0800 Received: by eaak14 with SMTP id k14sf644679eaa.16 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:10:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iHP5dvzyfa7aOf9h16kpS/4OMxj6fry7kgD6qAEqQ/I=; b=adfqkv3l5aiJ/DEKIAVy1f0DnrkH0QbtD/WGgo7yK/bl/0khOEZon5wIKhhfYchbB8 +wiFNBKOdpLLJbT/VqUqlKXZMXzJDKWV2XA3foRWwXgwWqL6sxrHezT50In6DQlo8ntl O9HQlvuaesaFLhOTXEzB8eJH0UqE1067TA7E4= Received: by 10.204.152.143 with SMTP id g15mr1021368bkw.10.1324314625752; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:10:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.187.14 with SMTP id x14ls1534403eem.4.canary; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.21.134 with SMTP id j6mr674992ebb.11.1324314624332; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.21.134 with SMTP id j6mr674991ebb.11.1324314624303; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ey0-f177.google.com (mail-ey0-f177.google.com [209.85.215.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i11si8231725eea.0.2011.12.19.09.10.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.177; Received: by mail-ey0-f177.google.com with SMTP id k12so5834562eaa.22 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:10:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.141.14 with SMTP id k14mr1848596bku.67.1324314624154; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.44.199 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:10:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:10:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The di'u-series From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517593670be5e6004b4750670 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --001517593670be5e6004b4750670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would say unique events. That being said, any "la'e di'u" would almost certainly be pointers to the same event/thing. --gejyspa On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:33 PM, tsani nicte wrote: > A topic of interest came up in #lojban today with regards to the > di'u-series. Are it's referents unique instances of an event of saying the > quotation, or do textually identical quotations have the same value when > referred by a di'u. > > mu'a > .i co'e .i di'u goi ko'a se cusku da goi fo'a > .i co'e .i di'u goi ko'e se cusku de goi fo'e > .i ko'a mo ko'e > .i xu du > .i xu nadu > > Also, if ko'e were said by fo'a rather than fo'e, would it make any > difference? > > ki'e ui > mu'o mi'e la tan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001517593670be5e6004b4750670 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 I would say unique events. =A0That being said, any &qu= ot;la'e di'u" would almost certainly be pointers to the same e= vent/thing.
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa


On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:33 PM, tsani nicte <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
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A topic of interest came up in #lojban today with regards to the di'u-s= eries. Are it's referents unique instances of an event of saying the qu= otation, or do textually identical quotations have the same value when refe= rred by a di'u.

mu'a
.i co'e .i di'u goi ko'a se c= usku da goi fo'a
.i co'e .i di'u goi ko'e se cusk= u de goi fo'e
.i ko'a mo ko'e
.i xu du
.i xu nadu

Also, if ko'e were said by fo&= #39;a rather than fo'e, would it make any difference?

ki'e ui
mu'o mi'e la tan

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