Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:55902) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Refuu-00031F-4C; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:42:40 -0800 Received: by vbbfs19 with SMTP id fs19sf6249368vbb.16 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:42:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=gvx4lqKXqum0UtfwsGJsGUobHLxRw9ltmJNxmdndQ+I=; b=ZPZ9JTCXTF7NS+0ZwvBPc1lwZWhlVmAkQ7d+zocmG/A6DkktkulkSfqSxALMwbVC0z Cljy7X48KaUsxNmEBPFqGKaNgs+3Ym2x2XONntZ1k8ysI7j8Sv/59WLQonsIy4xDYJ0l 0SIa2jSc5oTKXoOMFLwU0QRqmQeZCMWTjXXS4= Received: by 10.52.92.234 with SMTP id cp10mr2759301vdb.6.1324788145475; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:42:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.33.18 with SMTP id n18ls7270357vdi.4.gmail; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.174.114 with SMTP id br18mr18711941vdc.2.1324788144834; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.174.114 with SMTP id br18mr18711940vdc.2.1324788144826; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s13si5397181vdt.2.2011.12.24.20.42.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.47; Received: by vbbfc21 with SMTP id fc21so8284808vbb.6 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:42:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.71.168 with SMTP id w8mr10290143vdu.58.1324788144743; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.172.167 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:42:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 23:42:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Polar Opposites and Agentives From: tsani nicte To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071cddcc523b804b4e346ce X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf3071cddcc523b804b4e346ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How come the gimste has somtimes a different gismu that's simply defined as the polar opposite of another? Why not just use to'e? The example that comes to mind is: sutra vs masno Conversely, I once saw a like of gismu that had both agentive and non-agentive versions. Why not just use -gau lujvo? The example that comes to mind is: catra vs morsi mu'o mi'e tan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf3071cddcc523b804b4e346ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How come the gimste has somtimes a different gismu that's simply define= d as the polar opposite of another? Why not just use to'e?
The exam= ple that comes to mind is: sutra vs masno

Converse= ly, I once saw a like of gismu that had both agentive and non-agentive vers= ions. Why not just use -gau lujvo?
The example that comes to mind is: catra vs morsi

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