Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:49315) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ReuAX-0007ee-29; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 11:55:41 -0800 Received: by vcbfk26 with SMTP id fk26sf6585066vcb.16 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 11:55:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=44kK78VzbQpC0lga3HH5mOXW9+Wj/l3+4ijz4zchdak=; b=UN+lTOg2gLyn4RFSH3YMWr9dEvJlVtMopoL+tzUVZ8GhUd5B7nHqz6trh3JmaCtDXn 33LgDCtMdMGILQ6xLlZZxN0CpF40t2mWXTkfOG+H+QEcDgj/oacuZld/e3rqaimHnd2o S+Gj01KBGFzeWlcXI288bXBWLnCWHUKLXT7wE= Received: by 10.52.28.4 with SMTP id x4mr2958633vdg.20.1324842930791; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 11:55:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.147.197 with SMTP id m5ls6826661vcv.4.canary; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 11:55:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.20.50 with SMTP id k18mr2909645vde.9.1324842930231; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 11:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by s5g2000vbj.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 11:55:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 11:55:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/16.0.912.63 Safari/535.7,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Polar Opposites and Agentives From: ianek To: lojban X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / There are more such cases, like {zdani} and {xabju} - as I see it, it's the same relation, only different order of arguments. mu'o mi'e ianek On 25 Gru, 16:00, david demartin wrote: > my guess is that the 6 or so languages used to find common words as base > for gismu had all distinct terms for fast/slow... (as opposed to > fast/non-fast). > ...and we might indeed want to make THAT kind of a difference between > killing and dying for example... a little bit like we want to distinguish > between "making love" and "raping": although one is just a slight variation > of the other, we kind of WANT to consider them different things altogether > (as to assign them very different terms). > > dyabudy > > 2011/12/25 tsani nicte > > > > > > > > > How come the gimste has somtimes a different gismu that's simply defined > > as the polar opposite of another? Why not just use to'e? > > The example that comes to mind is: sutra vs masno > > > Conversely, I once saw a like of gismu that had both agentive and > > non-agentive versions. Why not just use -gau lujvo? > > The example that comes to mind is: catra vs morsi > > > mu'o mi'e tan > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.