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Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:19:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Namespaces To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044631feafffec04b5519947 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d044631feafffec04b5519947 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I wonder if an old (for me) thread is relevant here: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/browse_thread/thread/19a443e3194fd617/7a338a4f39731839 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: > Maybe Danny could elaborate a little bit more on his question. I > interpreted "namespace" in the same sense it is used for programming > languages: > > "A namespace (sometimes also called a name scope) is an abstract > container or environment created to hold a logical grouping of unique > identifiers or symbols (i.e., names). [...] The same identifier can be > independently defined in multiple namespaces." (from Wikipedia). > > With this interpretation the question is whether in Lojban I can set > {mamta} to mean "mother" in a context and "apple" in another context. > It's about the identifier, the word {mamta} itself, not about the fact > that {lo mamta} and {le mamta} (or even {la .mam.}) refer to different > mothers (which they can and most probably do). > > But, as I said, maybe Danny had something different in mind. > > Remod > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:53 PM, djandus wrote: > > Actually, I would say that Lojban does have to what you are referring, > if I > > understand you correctly. > > > > The simplest way of explaining it could be how to refer to a mother. > > {lo mamta} means "one who is a mother" -- this refers to something that > > matches the "universally" agreed-upon definition of {mamta} > > {le mamta} means "one that I describe as a mother" -- this is more > > subjective, and makes no claim that everyone would agree with the > > description > > {la .mam.} is more like the name "Mom" that you might call someone. > > > > So, if I'm interpreting your question correctly, then yes, {lo} is kind > of > > like being in the "global" namespace, where {le} is kind of like being in > > the "local" namespace. {la} is very loose -- it's basically a different > name > > format, as it doesn't require a grammatical word, but only a > pronounceable > > word. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/wmugjUNm2VUJ. > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d044631feafffec04b5519947 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder if an old (for me) thread is relevant here:=A0 http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners/browse_thread/thread/19a443e3194fd617/7a338a4f39731839=A0<= div>
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Remo Dentat= o <rdentato@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Maybe Danny could elaborate a little bit more on his question. I
interpreted "namespace" in the same sense it is used for programm= ing
languages:

"A namespace (sometimes also called a name scope) is an abstract
container or environment created to hold a logical grouping of unique
identifiers or symbols (i.e., names). [...] The same identifier can be
independently defined in multiple namespaces." (from Wikipedia).

With this interpretation the question is whether in Lojban I can set
{mamta} to mean "mother" in a context and "apple" in an= other context.
It's about the identifier, the word {mamta} itself, not about the fact<= br> that {lo mamta} and {le mamta} (or even {la .mam.}) refer to different
mothers (which they can and most probably do).

But, as I said, maybe Danny had something different in mind.

Remod

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:53 PM, djandus <jandew@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, I would say that Lojban does have to what you are referring,= if I
> understand you correctly.
>
> The simplest way of explaining it could be how to refer to a mother. > {lo mamta} means "one who is a mother" -- this refers to som= ething that
> matches the "universally" agreed-upon definition of {mamta}<= br> > {le mamta} means "one that I describe as a mother" -- this i= s more
> subjective, and makes no claim that everyone would agree with the
> description
> {la .mam.} is more like the name "Mom" that you might call s= omeone.
>
> So, if I'm interpreting your question correctly, then yes, {lo} is= kind of
> like being in the "global" namespace, where {le} is kind of = like being in
> the "local" namespace. {la} is very loose -- it's basica= lly a different name
> format, as it doesn't require a grammatical word, but only a prono= unceable
> word.
>
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