Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:48812) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiVOl-000080-JY; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:17:16 -0800 Received: by iaeh11 with SMTP id h11sf75344466iae.16 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:17:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:user-agent:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=U269r+rMJvLeMbleqC8nvgvXPb+arvHwKjBW5YTqCmo=; b=cZ/G+vPJFDyX+A0q4stqkV8BYC0nZTBSLJ/lMu5LEtV4bnA5xv1CVYsAEUT7ciBr5R l9XnN4S78N7rNmWMNAdESIki3xJnMQWMjHo9HiNr18URqQkPzplusnKWJdwjCJmk9S+T DHEIYyBHgdlqVd+e14dxJ0nowZ/PM+vZeBEu0= Received: by 10.50.195.137 with SMTP id ie9mr17775053igc.3.1325701025238; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:17:05 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.212.66 with SMTP id ni2ls34209911igc.0.gmail; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.190.2 with SMTP id gm2mr38777050pbc.4.1325701023812; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.190.2 with SMTP id gm2mr38777049pbc.4.1325701023802; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c6si6026814pbo.0.2012.01.04.10.17.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiVOY-00007v-Ax for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:17:02 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiVOX-00007o-MW for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:17:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:17:01 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Conversational ability test. Message-ID: <20120104181701.GQ20463@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / tsani and I independently came up with this test within a couple of hours of each other yesterday (!?), and it seems like it helps people grok what "I can speak Lojban" means. Stick two people in two adjacent rooms; they can hear each other but not see each other. Present them with a co-operative puzzle to exit the room. Shoot them :) if they speak anything but Lojban. People who can get out of the room "speak Lojban". That doesn't mean they're "fluent", whatever the hell that means. But they can get shit done. Now, here's the fun part: can you come up with a set of tasks that we could implement on a couple of laptops so we could actually try this at jbonunsla? For bonus points, can you come up with tasks that have various difficulty scales? How about tasks that require something other than simple directional instructions (i.e. "OK, now try the button on the right")? -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.