Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:45053) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiVls-0000Hj-DA; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:41:17 -0800 Received: by iaeh11 with SMTP id h11sf75400835iae.16 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:41:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8xcQJNA2ReWktHe/GhEJtCt58DEibW8Q9dLk2M6F74c=; b=XqG0R3qaGzKTGb0jPoYHBvK2Rzv/lffq0qvX95LO5SGb5SCb4IIegIbEydmgv6tT8E lU0LNoVSXF+3MiQoi95uUKWdLgTEJ0dVvUpddn4H0ZNq2ep3rCy0Sg0c1O3FRZSbhbic KC6LJkyIhcEMpxCOAgx/D+A8QZvn59AZ6PnGs= Received: by 10.50.207.106 with SMTP id lv10mr17990709igc.0.1325702458306; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:40:58 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.29.8 with SMTP id o8ls34263075ibc.6.gmail; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.179.70 with SMTP id de6mr13426629igc.4.1325702457586; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.179.70 with SMTP id de6mr13426628igc.4.1325702457576; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f170.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dk6si5958736igb.1.2012.01.04.10.40.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.170; Received: by mail-tul01m020-f170.google.com with SMTP id wo10so15029620obc.29 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.160.73 with SMTP id xi9mr18622013obb.26.1325702457397; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:40:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.128.35 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:40:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120104181701.GQ20463@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20120104181701.GQ20463@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> From: ".arpis." Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:40:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Conversational ability test. To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Are "sentences" made up of lojban words which are incorrect grammatically lojban? What about if both people misuse (by implicit contract) certain words (I can't think of a good example now)? What if they habitually forget to separate the main bridi from the sumti before it? What about lojban with a lot of "zoi" and "zo'oi" and "me la"? Where is the line drawn between incorrect lojban, bad lojban, and not lojban? My complaints aside, that's a really cool idea. I may be colored by recent experience, but bootstrapping using already made games might be effective. I'm thinking specifically about Portal 2 and IloMilo (although both have mechanisms for avoiding need for any conversation), but more generally speaking, playing a cooperative puzzle game might do. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > tsani and I independently came up with this test within a couple of > hours of each other yesterday (!?), and it seems like it helps > people grok what "I can speak Lojban" means. > > Stick two people in two adjacent rooms; they can hear each other but > not see each other. =A0Present them with a co-operative puzzle to exit > the room. =A0Shoot them :) if they speak anything but Lojban. > > People who can get out of the room "speak Lojban". =A0That doesn't > mean they're "fluent", whatever the hell that means. But they can > get shit done. > > Now, here's the fun part: can you come up with a set of tasks that > we could implement on a couple of laptops so we could actually try > this at jbonunsla? > > For bonus points, can you come up with tasks that have various > difficulty scales? =A0How about tasks that require something other > than simple directional instructions (i.e. "OK, now try the button > on the right")? > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni = li'u > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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