Or a doable one, in the absence of said native speaker (w= ho could probably tell without all this apparatus).

From: MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>To: lojban@googlegroups.c= om
Sent: Wed, January 4= , 2012 1:35:56 PM
Subject:<= /b> Re: [lojban] Conversational ability test.

I understand Robin's suggestion to be a test for just one person, even thou= gh two people are involved. So if the testee knows Lojban well enough to ta= lk the 'tester' through solving whatever the puzzle or other task is, then = he 'knows' Lojban. The 'tester', OTOH, should be a native Lojban speaker wi= th no other language in common with the testee.

I don't think this would be an adequate test, but it's a sta= rt.

stevo

On= Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:40 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:

Are "sentences" made up of lojban words whi= ch are incorrect
grammatically lojban? What about if both people misuse (by implicit
contract) certain words (I can't think of a good example now)? What if
they habitually forget to separate the main bridi from the sumti
before it? What about lojban with a lot of "zoi" and "zo'oi" and "me
la"? Where is the line drawn between incorrect lojban, bad lojban, and
not lojban?

My complaints aside, that's a really cool idea.

I may be colored by recent experience, but bootstrapping using already
made games might be effective.

I'm thinking specifically about Portal 2 and IloMilo (although both
have mechanisms for avoiding need for any conversation), but more
generally speaking, playing a cooperative puzzle game might do.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell
<rlpowell@digitalk= ingdom.org> wrote:
>
> tsani and I independently came up with this test within a couple of > hours of each other yesterday (!?), and it seems like it helps
> people grok what "I can speak Lojban" means.
>
> Stick two people in two adjacent rooms; they can hear each other but > not see each other. Present them with a co-operative puzzle to e= xit
> the room. Shoot them :) if they speak anything but Lojban.
>
> People who can get out of the room "speak Lojban". That doesn't<= br> > mean they're "fluent", whatever the hell that means. But they can
> get shit done.
>
> Now, here's the fun part: can you come up with a set of tasks that
> we could implement on a couple of laptops so we could actually try
> this at jbonunsla?
>
> For bonus points, can you come up with tasks that have various
> difficulty scales? How about tasks that require something other<= br> > than simple directional instructions (i.e. "OK, now try the button
> on the right")?
>
> -Robin
>
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