Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:62284) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RicSd-0004ZO-C5; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:49:44 -0800 Received: by vbbfs19 with SMTP id fs19sf26264vbb.16 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:49:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=c+iWnJ8mBN/FJds60Vxix2BaU6vy8NfSl5lt6Uhsnak=; b=caWO0rrvrWHvoijAgSLKEcUrx1yNWEEo2pGu+6172b+SE8z7S9kXwSRMfeS//RmNcn 4tGNaMz58aZS39esHDwECP+ixLqiNxCbp3gl2eMTj0noLd9i2Z0A8rFspxRWyhLk9/o6 XTr9vnl98IzP5ojS+aHA0LThTWvEFu/xDYu3E= Received: by 10.52.71.231 with SMTP id y7mr2883vdu.2.1325728172963; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:49:32 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.197.16 with SMTP id ei16ls5676854vcb.1.canary; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.67.145 with SMTP id n17mr88328vdt.0.1325728172239; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.67.145 with SMTP id n17mr88326vdt.0.1325728172225; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vx0-f172.google.com (mail-vx0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ij1si16781357vdb.3.2012.01.04.17.49.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.172; Received: by vcbfk13 with SMTP id fk13so68179vcb.17 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:49:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.39.136 with SMTP id g8mr31490vce.9.1325728171745; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.172.167 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:49:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56456685-30f1-4c0b-bb0e-5dd3b331aa2a@z25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> References: <3add2d11-297a-44b9-92e6-ddb6b7ce18d5@u6g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <201201032219.22221.phma@phma.optus.nu> <56456685-30f1-4c0b-bb0e-5dd3b331aa2a@z25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:49:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: nice sound for lojban "r" From: tsani nicte To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54eeb20bee33304b5be2427 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54eeb20bee33304b5be2427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi I think that the French r sound would most likely sound a lot like the current Lojban x sound, at least that's how I pronounce the French r (I am from Quebec). Also, if you feel more comfortable speaking French rather than English, feel free to do so. There are (albeit not many) francophone Lojbanists who could answer any question. mu'o mi'e la tsani On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:56 AM, buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > coi > > Seems that the idea of dispensing with the other sounds of the > letter r have not Like to many, I also do not want do without for > that, but more importantly I have to use the French sound for this > character if there is a grammer rule for the use of each "r" sound be > thankful. > > I mean the word "bite" to say the letter "r" as the r French sound > > co'o > > On 4 =D9=8A=D9=86=D8=A7=D9=8A=D8=B1, 05:19, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Tuesday 03 January 2012 17:52:16 MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > > > Having more than one sound for 'r' wouldn't create multiple dialects. > We > > > already have several allophones for 'r'. > > > > The most it would create is multiple accents. If there were two groups = of > > Lojbanists and one used "fi'u" as the rafsi of "frinu" while the other > used > > it as the rafsi for "cfipu", or one used "malpigi" to mean a fruit whil= e > the > > other knew it only as a word for an insect's kidney, or one always used > "cu" > > between "mi" and the selbri and the other didn't, then you'd have > dialects. > > > > Pierre > > -- > > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du > > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --bcaec54eeb20bee33304b5be2427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi

I think that the French r sound would most likely so= und a lot like the current Lojban x sound, at least that's how I pronou= nce the French r (I am from Quebec). Also, if you feel more comfortable spe= aking French rather than English, feel free to do so. There are (albeit not= many) francophone Lojbanists who could answer any question.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:56 AM, buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk <buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
coi

=C2=A0Seems that the idea of dispensing with the other sounds of the
letter r have not Like to many, I also do not want do without for
that, but more importantly I have to use the French sound for this
character if there is a grammer rule for the use of each "r" soun= d be
thankful.

I mean the word "bite" to say the letter "r" as the r F= rench sound

co'o

On 4 =D9=8A=D9=86=D8=A7=D9=8A=D8=B1, 05:19, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 January 2012 17:52:16 MorphemeAddict wrote:
>
> > Having more than one sound for 'r' wouldn't create mu= ltiple dialects. We
> > already have several allophones for 'r'.
>
> The most it would create is multiple accents. If there were two groups= of
> Lojbanists and one used "fi'u" as the rafsi of "fri= nu" while the other used
> it as the rafsi for "cfipu", or one used "malpigi"= to mean a fruit while the
> other knew it only as a word for an insect's kidney, or one always= used "cu"
> between "mi" and the selbri and the other didn't, then y= ou'd have dialects.
>
> Pierre
> --
> li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du
> li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci

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